Australia to save White South African's lifes

M I'll remind you it was Howard that took us into Iraq.

I think it's important we don't swing over to the left or right too far. It is possible to be patriotic and not have hate in your heart.

On this link below is a map of human rights all over the world, between 1949 - 2014, you'll notice despite issues with minorities in Australia as described by T (which you will find everywhere and we in Australia must continue to stand up to) Australia is doing very well compared to the rest of the world

https://ourworldindata.org/human-rights

 

Dear sw,
I am/was the biggest critic of Howard when he joined the US/UK against Iraq, another strong patriot John Howard is !!!
Secondly,
do you seriously want to tell us that these lowlifes yelling abuse at others, or getting into fights against "others", are not overly patriotic?
They all are, "go back to where you come from" is used permanently when abuse happens.
See, I live in rural WA, we have towns like Bunbury or Collie to name a few, where you wouldn't want to walk around in a darker skin or with an accent or in the wrong clothing....
For me patriotism is a key factor for racism and bigotism....
Reg.

 

Well I think that's sad, that you associate pride in your national identity as racism and bigotism.

That presents a big problem because national identity are one of the things that will keep a country from falling apart. Let's for a moment assume you are right, then with each and every person of colour, other than white we bring into Australia, effectively we are chipping away at our national identity. This thinking only serves the alternative right.

 

Sw,
not at all, there appears to be a misunderstanding.
Not everyone who is a patriot is a racist or bigot, but every racist/bigot has patriotism in his/her core genes.
I think if we all understand us as human beings of one planet and not of one country or nation, we might have a far better chance.
That would of course require similar values and one common global lingo.....
I know I am dreaming, but it is a beautiful dream...
Have a great Sunday,
reg.

 

We disagree.
Although multiculturalism has a P.C, ring to it
does not prove it best.

A nation. With a national culture.
Has held real nations, such as Sweden together.
Moi favors, y'wanna immigrate to Sweden, speak Swedish and demonstrate appreciation for Swedish culture and cuisine. More lutifisk, yum.


What has multiculturalism done for Sweden? How about Australia?
Just feel good points with no benefit to the nation and paid for by the worker folks who live nearest the resettlement.

How about,
A Whiter Australia
for a Brighter Future?​

When weighing absorbing South African farmers as opposed to competitors for refugee slots.

 

You know Moi, something creeps up in me asking you this question:
You wouldn"t be blond and blue eyed?
With a slight tendency towards National-socialism?
You know, the **** which caused over 50m their lifes?
Hmmm, if true, that wouldn't be good, not good at all....
Reg.

 

thank you Reg, sorry I have to disagree with you once more, I do not believe racism, bigotism or any form of discrimination have anything to do with national identity and pride. Instead it is rooted in narcism, where the individual feel the need to put others down or discriminate to make themselves feel better. Essentially it's rooted in personality disorder and lack of self esteem.

having said that I do agree with you that some will use national identity as a narcissistic tool

 

sw,
we agree so often on various subjects, so why not disagree for once.
All good,
cheers

 

Moi,
Australia became exponentially more properous after the abolition of white Australia policy.

Are you required to speak Swedish before migrating? There is quite a strong multicultural mix in Sweden.

Sweden has a similiar socialism but better than Australia it seems. Australia has a pretty fair social welfare program and healthcare program unlike the USA who expect people who are on the bottom rung to work for peanuts because that’s essentially all they get. These people blame migrants without understanding that their government is giving them the short end of the stick.

Sweden does not seem to be wealthy because they are a homogenous or mono cultural. It seems furthest from the truth!

 

I'm going to throw some more fuel on the fire here, I was reading an article about Pauline Hansons claims about Muslims and Asians swamping suburbs (link below), now we all know this is a lie. Minority groups are far from swamping our suburbs. However looking at the maps I do have one question,

Here are our ethnic populations

English 25.9%, Australian 25.4%, Irish 7.5%, Scottish 6.4%, Italian 3.3%, German 3.2%, Chinese 3.1%, Indian 1.4%, Greek 1.4%, Dutch 1.2%, other 15.8% (includes Australian aboriginal .5%), unspecified 5.4%

For example Chinese are only 3.1% of our population, if they represent such a small amount why are there suburbs both in Sydney and Melbourne with 70% Asian population

Sydney



Melbourne



Is it possible that they are more comfortable with their own ethnic group? I'm not saying they dislike Europeans because that would be calling them racist, I'm just asking if they are more comfortable with their own? Because in my opinion that is perfectly natural to feel more comfortable with your own, however if a European says this they are yelled and screamed at "RACIST!!!!"

https://theconversation.com/suburbs...muslims-the-data-show-a-different-story-79250

 

btw I believe people like Pauline Hanson are their own worst enemy. When she saw the Aboriginal themed Commonwealth Games opening she called it "disgusting". Imagine being that rude to people, saying their culture is disgusting.

If she felt under represented in the opening Ceremony then by all means say that, not someone else is disgusting

 

I live in rural QLD and the local Maccas is known as “the Philippine Embassy” by the local Philippine community itself. Our Waitangi Day is bigger than Auckland’s and if there is a country not represented by someone I have yet to discover it

But sadly there is still discrimination and prejudice

Mostly aimed at our gentle lovely indigenous people

 

SW. I believe that if the only way you can feel good about yourself is to heap hate on another then it is time you re-examined your role on this planet and found something else to be proud of other than an accident of birth

In other words racists are dicks with nothing other than skin colour tone proud of

 

With OUR skin cancer rate???? Mate we are desperately trying to breed out sunburn and Melanoma as fast as we can!!!!

 

Wow.
Yet know one can cite advantages of introducing multiculturalism to a pretty much mono culture area.


It is suggested that Australia has a limited number of slots for refugees.
Should they just go by lottery draw of applicants?
I prefer applicant quality to the nation. Such as education.

Then there is given the choice of taking in
so many South Africans vs so many Afghanis, or Bangladesh, etc.
I see no problem with assigning those slots to the South Africans for the benefit of the nation.


But, then again I am a "nationalist". That should not be glibly translated to Nazi.
Globalism has been an anchor on the working people in more developed nations.

Viva Marine Le Pen.
Will France ever learn to be French again? ala De Gaulle kicking NATO out.
Furthermore, I support an independent Republic of California, as a California nationalist.

 

She never said “swamping suburbs” SW. She said “Australia is being swamped by Asians”.

I mixed with Asians in Sydney, mostly Chinese back in the early 90’s. It was terrible hearing their stories. Going to the general store was sometimes difficult especially when they encountered bogan types. Being threatened with violence and abused countless times would make you nervy. They were beautiful hard working people, who were defenceless. So it was not so much to do with cultural reasons as it was for safety and certainly opportunity.

 

You know,
there are also Asians living in our beautiful capital Perth who changed their name from whatever it was to John or Paul or else.
Sometimes it is easier to get a job with the right (make it white) ingredients.....
Wonder whether things are so different over your end, over east I mean,
reg.

 

To me it is interesting how both of you avoided the question, again

if there are only 3.1% Chinese, which is a very small number, why are there suburbs in both Melbourne and Sydney that have 70% plus Asians living in them? Should we be accusing them of racism?

I'll state that the deplorable behaviour you mention is inexcusable, but still does not address the question. Are you saying Australians are all so rude that Asian people prefer to avoid them and therefore the representation of 70% plus in multiple suburbs both Melbourne and Sydney?
Is this not a major cause of concern, this would mean Australians are horrible people even though our human rights records show otherwise. We are that mean spirited, small minded and difficult to live with that the majority of the Asian population in Australia prefer to keep away from us.

or

do they simply prefer the familiar?

note, please understand my children play with Nigerian and Bangladeshi children, I am asking this question because just by asking, one gets accused of racism, I see this as a perfect exercise in what is wrong with our world today.

 

Not quite sure what you on about,
in my own experience I would say that their (in general people from Asia) family ties are stronger, much stronger.
Children are still children, when they are 18 years or older. That is not the same in my environment.....
Whether that explains your (3.1% or 70%) example, I don't know.
tv also gave a very credible and explainable answer.
I wouldn't say that we Aussie are all rude, but the numbers are certainly out there, especially towards non white and non christian minorities.....
But that is the same in any country I traveled to, so no surprise, but still sad.
Cheers

 

sw,
you know that after the big one (WW2) many Italians came to WA, most settled in South Fremantle and nearby Hamilton Hill, and a few further south in Harvey.
But all had something in common, their Italian Club.
See, I often think about these things and how our life on this planet could improve in our dealings with one another.
When you arrive from a foreign country, you need time to learn the lingo and the values behind.
That often take years, if not generations.
The Italians have mixed as others have. But it took a long time. Asian people will mix, but allow them the same.
However, so said we have a suburb in Perth, called Winthrop.
In that suburb many Asians have settled, and without knowing that they live there, one thing which sticks out is the cleanness.
No broken bottles, no skid-marks.
Sometimes we can also learn from others.....
Reg.

 

No not dodging the question. I think we already touched on them SW. Not saying I’m absolutely correct but based on personal anecdote it makes sense. Racism in its full context would certainly not be a reason, unless Asians, Italians and Greeks actually thought we needed their patronizing paternalistic support. They certainly didn’t come here to control us. For mind migrants come to enjoy the quality of life such as freedom and individualism. Hell, I don’t think Pauline Hanson is racist because I think she is too imbecilic to be one. She is nothing but an ignorant bigot with nasty and spiteful tendencies. She doesn’t think other races are stupid she just thinks she is losing something. The only thing she lost was her mind.

Now I’m not sure you purposely did it but in the article you linked, it suggested that on the whole Asians live much more broadly across Australian society. Hurstville is one single suburb where the Asian population is 63 or 70%, outside that the maximum was 14% or something. Less than 30,000 people live in Hurstville, which means there maybe 18 or 19 thousands Asian residents. There are about 2.5 million Asians living in Australia.

As M2 stated, as Australia became accustomed to Southern Europeans, the issues which were similiar to asians have basically dissipated. Their language, religion and culture are celebrated and respected. Asians are just about there as well.

At the end of the day nothing will justify apartheid I’m sorry SW. It was a blatant draconian act.

 

WTF! how do you arrive at me condoning apartheid. I suggest with that comment you are discriminating against me because I am white South African... automatically conclude I condone apartheid. T you need to understand that apartheid was abolished by vote, white South African vote. Apartheid was also an affirmative action system and meant to protect a minority from a hostile majority and openly discriminated against that majority. Clearly there is much you need to learn about apartheid if you think all it was was a bunch a people who hated black people. The country could never have survived the handover if that was indeed the case. Apartheid was wrong and bad, but what came after is not necessarily better, because 100 000 people were murdered during a 40 year Apartheid period, (black and white murder rate) today 300 000 people die every year.

With the system in South Africa today, 12 million people will die over 40 years, vs Apartheid 100 000 over 40 years, but we are not allowed to criticise this new South Africa... because apartheid... I call this blind bullshit reasoning.

Now back to the article, you also automatically assume I'm trying to frame Asian people as bad, my objective is to demonstrate

a) that the tendency to be drawn to people "like us" is a normal human trait. Except of course if you're white then you are not suppose to be drawn to people "like us" according to the Greens that is racism. They are hypocrites.

I agree with this post from Reg below, up to where he discriminate against whites and suggest Asians are cleaner than Australians, since I live in a town that have been nominated cleanest in my State and it's majority white town I know this is untrue.
Essentially to build relationships and friendships you need trust, at least at some level and to build trust you need to be able to relate to that person, which is extremely difficult if you have absolutely nothing in common and virtually impossible if you do not or barely speak the same language. Therefore as far as I'm concerned, Asians are drawn to live together, mainly because it's easier to relate and build relationships with people "like them". They are not racist and do not hate Australians, nor are Australians horrible people.


and b) racism is subjective, what I think is racism, you don't and vice versa. Based on personal experience and values.

c) Other ethnic groups can also be racist. I also believe many people underestimate exactly how racist black and other ethnic people can be. In Australia it's a "white" thing... white people are racist... other ethnic groups put up with us. That's rubbish and in fact discrimination against whites, one rule for white another for other. It's time to draw the line across the board.

Example is what happened to Samantha Armytage, protesters called her the most horrific names, racism and yet NO ONE calls them out or say, you can't say that, it's racist. Because the perception is... only white people are racist.

 

Many interesting thoughts expressed.
Racism is certainly not confined to white/black.
Asians are xenophobic too. I observed our Vietnamese fruiterer looking down her nose at our Japanese student visitor and she demanded " what country you from?"

I did wonder about the concentration of Asians in some suburbs and if it's because of the best schools in those areas. Asians want good education for their kids and will move to another area, or rent a house there, so that their child can go to the school. Sometimes there's a concentration of Asians in suburbs such as Richmond, Springvale and Maribyrnong because the migrant hostels were in those areas and therefore familiar. ( And therefore, the best places for delicious Vietnamese food.)

 

I think you are all intentionally ignoring the elephant in the room.

No matter what society you are part of there are elements driven by fear of difference and change.

Migrant Asians are no different, they feel more comfortable among their own as we do ours. That does not mean they do not add value to society and we are mostly exceptable to each other socially. They too have elements within their sub society that are discriminatory to other groups, but generally Non muslim asians are harmonious and compatible with our society as a whole.

Where the real issues arise is between the religious faiths, not the general one on one contact of everyday life.

We can all say we know or have known, or are friends, or have worked with Asians, Africans, Hindus, Budhists, Muslims, or Martians if you like, and have good one on one relationships.

However we are not talking about one on one relationships here, if that were the case it may be a lot easier to maintain a generally acceptable society. We are talking about collective relationships between races and faiths.

Sure, you have a sub group that hates blacks, another that hates whites, then another that detests Asians, Arabs, Eskimos,the list goes on. But none of those groups form a comprehensive collective. The only comprehensive collectives we have are faiths. These faiths tie large groups together under the one banner. Sure, they all have slightly different interpretations of their faiths, but generally they are within the confines of that faith.

Now history has shown us that Christians can co habitate with both Hindus and Budhists. They are generally compatible through tolerance and acceptance, on a whole. Does not seem to matter what faith is the dominant.

This brings us to that elephant, finally.

History has also shown us that Islam does not tolerate any other faith, and when it is the dominant faith it crushes every other faith mercilessly. Comply or die. Make no mistake this will never change, this is not a faith built on tolerance.

You must ask yourself why nearly every other faith is allowed to be practiced in those Asian nations who follow the peaceful faiths, except for Islam?

Now this is just my opinion. However I think as a nation we need to seriously debate further Muslim immigration, or moreso the numbers and requirements. There are plenty in need all over the world, and you could say a majority are of the Islamic faith, I understand this and feel for them, but there are substantial number of Islamic nations that could do far more for these people than they currently do.

This is a hard topic to debate, firstly because there are so many emotions involved, and secondly because everyone is scared of offending someone by putting forward awkward conversation.

It is very difficult to argue the plight of human societies when the only way to do so is to dehumanise the debate, however I feel this is exactly what must be done in order to find unbiased answers.

 

sw,
is honesty discrimination or what?
The suburb of Winthrop is indeed cleaner as others, and the majority living there are Asians. A coincidence?
Come and visit us here in WA, I can show you some suburbs you wouldn't want to leave your car, and again, no Asians living there.
It is bullshit accusing me of discrimination !!!
Btw, reg. stands for regards, as I am happy to show manners. Call me M2 if you want to, and please unwind....
And for your reference, I am not Asian, but a good observer.
Reg.