Trump decides to exit nuclear accord with Iran

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Damn that guy... :machinegun:
     
  2. The Mello Guy

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    Wait so now we get to do what you said wasn’t working?
     
  3. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, you just want to butch about anything the President does. Obama was a feckless IDIOT , and our enemies knew, and exploited it....for 8 years.
     
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    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/iran/2017-10-03/iranian-nuclear-deals-sunset-clauses

    The Iranian Nuclear Deal's Sunset Clauses
    Why They Are Not a Path to a Bomb

    Although the opponents of the 2015 Iranian nuclear deal often speak of Tehran in hyperbolic terms—as a "murderous regime" and as an exporter of “death and destruction”—their main criticism of the agreement is more mundane. It revolves around clauses known as the “sunset provisions,” which stipulate when the various restrictions imposed on Iran’s nuclear program expire and which critics say provide Iran with a patient pathway to acquiring nuclear weapons.

    On September 19, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, one of the staunchest critics of the deal, which is known officially as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), rebuked it yet again at a meeting of the United Nations General Assembly. “In a few years, [nuclear] restrictions will be automatically removed,” he said, “not by a change in Iran’s behavior, not by a lessening of its terror or its aggression—they’ll just be removed by a mere change in the calendar.” U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, although not known as the most hawkish on this issue in Donald Trump’s White House, echoed the same view later that day, saying, “The [deal’s] most glaring flaw is the sunset provision…We all know that this is merely a kick-the-can-down-the-road agreement.”

    What Netanyahu, Tillerson, and other critics take issue with is not just that these expiration dates arrive too soon, but that there are expiration dates at all. Some of the deal’s prohibitions, such as on the number of Iran’s first-generation centrifuges and on the research and development of more advanced ones, are set to end in 2025, but Iran’s total enrichment capacity (less than a third of what it was prior to the deal) will remain where it is now until 2028, thanks to limits on Iran’s ability to enhance and deploy advanced centrifuges.

    Other key limitations last even longer. Until 2030, the level of enrichment is restricted to 3.67 percent—far below the 90 percent needed for weapons-grade uranium. The path to a plutonium weapon is also blocked by the 15-year ban on constructing a new heavy-water reactor and on reprocessing spent fuel.

    One of the most important restrictions, the 300 kg cap on Iran’s low-enriched uranium stockpile, is in place until 2030. Iran would need 1,400 to 2,800 kg of low-enriched uranium for one nuclear weapon. This barrier renders weaponization virtually impossible until 2030.

    But as the deal’s detractors point out, what then?

    The reality is that these fears are overblown. Some prohibitions continue past 2030. For instance, continuous surveillance of centrifuge production sites lasts until 2035, while the monitoring of Iran’s uranium mines and mills goes on until 2040. During that time, if and when Iran jacks up its centrifuge production or starts moving suspect amounts of uranium, the international community will know.

    Other provisions will be in place in perpetuity. For instance, Tehran is and will forever be required to notify the agency when it decides to build a nuclear facility. In contrast, under its previous safeguard agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), it was only obligated to alert the international community six months before the introduction of nuclear material into the country. This was the loophole that enabled Iran to construct several undeclared nuclear facilities, which were eventually discovered in 2002 and 2009.

    Assuming the other parties to the deal reciprocate by holding up their end of the bargain, Iran will ratify in 2023 the IAEA’s Additional Protocol, which allows short-notice inspections of undeclared facilities in Iran and which it is now voluntarily implementing. To date, no country on earth has developed nuclear weapons under the watchful eyes of the IAEA’s inspectors who are empowered by the access that the Additional Protocol affords them. And of course, under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), Iran is forever prohibited from developing nuclear weapons. Of the four recent nuclear-weapon states, three (India, Israel, and Pakistan) never signed the NPT; North Korea withdrew before moving toward nuclear weapons.

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    ctd at the link.


    Trump is a ******ned puppet to be manipulated, and he was easily manipulated into rejecting this great deal. IDIOT.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More hysteria...apparently...no other , BETTER DEALS are possible, now. Because the hysterical left says so.
     
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    Purposefully obtuse isn't your friend. No one said it was working, and no one said that inspections were going to end, did they? They have always lived under the threat of increased sanctions, now this is more likely.

    Why are you defending the most likely government on the planet to foment terrorism?
     
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    So trump is planning to negotiate with Iran after he broke the last deal we negotiated with them? Lol ok
     
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    Do you even know what sanctions are? As the behavior of the NorKs improves and becomes somewhat more civilized sanctions can be eased and dropped altogether to encourage more of the same from them. Duh!
    Likewise bad behavior will see more sanctions and resumptions of sanctions.
     
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    Why do you think they’d let us inspect after we broke a deal that let us inspect?
    This is the same logic that thinks trump paid off a porn star for an affair that he didn’t have lol
     
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    Your first link cites something Trump said during the campaign.

    Your second link takes what a 'right wing think tank' says.

    Your third link is an opinion column that doesn't even claim they are the biggest state sponsor of terrorism

    I'll stick with the assessment of the US State Department.

    THREE STRIKES AND YOU ARE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :banana::banana::banana:
     
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    The best thing about any deal Trump makes or unmakes is that it won't matter if it is wildly successful and popular, a push, a clunker, or an abject failure, it will be condemned by the left. That 18 months worth of chronic Boy-Who-Cried-Wolf/Henny Pennyism is why sane America only looks up to snicker at leftists anymore.

    #ZeroCred
     
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    The same way sanctions on Iran prevented them from developing a nuclear program?
     
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    Utter nonsense propaganda, from the ULTRA-LEFISTS of the Council on Foreign Relations...same IDIOTS who declared "the arab spring" as the "birth of democracy in the Middle East/N.Africa". Leftist IDIOT UN STOOGES.
     
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    Zerocred is what America has if we make deals and then break them
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Because, dear comrade, we don't have the monopoly on inspectors. Do you feel that evaporation happening yet??
     
  16. Dutch

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    No, of course not, my friend. But at least, our eyes be open!
     
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    Wrong, watch the video I posted.
     
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    I have a bias in favor of the US keeping agreements crafted by previous administrations.
    Nevertheless, Trump will gain from keeping yet another campaign promise, and the "deal" that was rejected by Congress was an unusually crooked deal - even by corrupt DC standards.
     
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    Did everyone pull out of the deal? Nope.

    Well then, the UN inspections will continue, right?
     
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    But... but... the russkie collusion? Did not Putin carried Trump over the finish line?

    Welcome back, comrade! They already let you out? :applause:
     
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    No one claims sanctions prevented Iran from secretly trying to gain nuclear weapons. Where are you getting your geopolitical news from?
    Bazooka Joe gum wrappers?
     
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    I'm with Trump on this, the Obama deal was a bum deal for America. Iran lied, received billions and carried on as normal.

    When will America learn not to go into joint deals with the ******* Europeans?
     
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    Did everyone pull out of the deal? Nope.

    Then the IAEA inspections will continue, right?
     
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    So we’re going to trust some UN or European inspectors?
     
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    For better or for worse, any possible deal with North Korea is now dead on arrival.

    The fallout will be interesting.
     

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