Hands off our Irn-Bru, Trump! Or feel the bite of Scotland’s four good teeth

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  1. Peter Dow

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    Scots should be careful not to be manipulated by false flag UK royalist unionists, disguising themselves as outraged Scots, trying to stoke up Scottish hostility against a President Trump visit to Scotland, as a lever to stoke up hostility between Scots and Americans, so as to sabotage the promise of US support for Scottish independence, as witnessed in US Tartan Day etc.

    No-one could help the cause of Scottish independence more than a sympathetic US President and that's why MI5, Special Branch and arch-unionists will be trying to stir up hostility, on any pretext whatsoever, to provoke a Scottish protest against Trump.

    Undercover MI5, Special Branch police officers and others will be infiltrating activist groups, dishonestly trying to incite a protest against Trump.

    SNP, Scottish Greens, radicals or indeed ANYONE who is for Scottish independence, should beware of false flag agent provocateurs and do not allow themselves to be manipulated into a protest against Trump, designed to keep Scotland under UK rule.

    Leave anything and everything about Trump you don't like for the Americans to deal with. Americans can handle Trump. They don't need our help.

    Scots should not protest Trump.

    Instead, we Scots should find an American we do like and celebrate him or her - I might suggest Condoleezza Rice who I am a big fan of. Do something to build support for Scottish independence in America, not lose support.

    Just remember that the head of state who rules Scotland, that we Scots have NEVER elected, is QUEEN ELIZABETH and so it is that Queen whom we Scots should be protesting against NOT "Trump".

    The Queen's men will not be protesting Trump flying their own Queen's flags. The Queen's men will be protesting against Trump abusing our flags and we should disown them here and now.

    "I couldn't agree less. Trump is an international abomination. We have every right to protest peacefully against him. And we don't need, as you imply, to suck up to him to get our independence."

    Queen Elizabeth is the true "international abomination", not Trump.

    Trump is a democratically elected head of state. Americans had a chance to vote against Trump.

    The Queen is an imposed monarch head of state, imposed internationally upon many nations, Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere.

    Rarely if ever do the citizens of those nations have a chance to vote against the Queen as head of state.

    A protest here against Trump the man will likely be represented by Scotland's enemies as "a protest against the US President, the office and an insult to all Americans and their democratic election of head of state".

    The Queen's men (and women) - do indeed have a right to protest peacefully against him.

    What the Queen's lackeys don't have a right to do is to silence or detract from those like me who support the independence of the nations subjugated within the Queen's empire.

    Neither do the Queen's men have a right to spoil Scots' opportunity to ban the Queen from Scotland as a prelude to establishing an independent Scottish republic where we can elect our own president as head of state.

    Scots do indeed need the help of the US President and the US military to enforce the ban of the Queen from Scotland. The UK does not allow Scots a republican guard of our own to defend our right to elect our own Scottish head of a Scottish state.

    I am not "sucking up to" Trump. I am simply offering him the respect which the office of president of the United States of America is entitled to in a visit to Scotland.

    If Scots are seen to respect American's right to elect the head of state of their own choice then reciprocally we can expect Americans to respect the right of Scots to elect our own head of state.

    "Don't be so ridiculous. Scotland is a proud nation and will not grovel to the bloated one in vague, unfounded hopes of future support. Your conspiracy theories are equally risible; do you have any evidence to back them up?"

    There is nothing "ridiculous" about the reported fact that unionists and royalists within the Labour Party are planning to protest against Trump.

    True Scots are indeed much too proud to grovel before Queen Elizabeth yet many royalist lackey (and therefore false) "Scots" - MSPs and MPs - do grovel to the Queen.

    I do not grovel before the elected president of the USA but I do respect the office of elected president.

    I also respect Americans' right to protest peacefully against the policies of their own elected president, if that is what Americans wish to do. That's appropriate.

    It is for our Scottish diplomats to make representations to President Trump about any issues we Scots might have with US policy. It is not for our citizens to protest against a US President who doesn't rule Scotland and who isn't to blame for any policy of the UK government and state which does rule us here in Scotland or the UK.

    This is a video I produced way back in 2008 for my "Pro-American Briton" channel.



    and here is my message to Americans on the anniversary of 9/11 (I start speaking from 2 minutes 45 seconds into the video)



    Just to be clear, any protest in Scotland against Trump does not speak for the pro-American sentiments of me or the vast majority of Scots.
     
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    Hi Peter.

    I think people are over-stating Trump's importance; He isn't important, he's just full of sound and fury, signifying of course nothing. I think Euro politicians in general do know that Trump is but a temporary blowhard, who's not nearly a strongman as he think he is, in terms of domestic popularity. Some non-political aficionados may come to believe that Trump is the face of the US, but in fact there will be a post-Trump era, maybe even before that one term is over. If it was China we were dealing with it would be another matter for the nature of their different political system.

    It's just a matter of time. So while said time pass, Euro leaders are looking to position themselves for the next US administration, thinking that Trump's election was a glitch, if a glitch that has a good chance to repeat itself.
     
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    Although you are right that Trump will only be with us for a short time a lot of lasting damage can be done in a short time. In addition the far right which Trumps imitates a lot always push the most extremist view. This results in views which would have before been considered extreme but less extremist than those suggested being accepted....and bit by bit we move to where they are. By the time of the next US Presidential election the US will probably be further to the right on all levels except of course those they call the 'far left' which is Westerners who were centrists in the 80's.

    The US right like the left, indeed like most people in most European countries are demanding a change from plutocracy. Without that changing there will be little difference in the US if the Democrats get in next time and although Trump has reneged on not wanting war, just think how Clinton would have left things! ;)
     
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    Hi MVictor P.

    The BBC never "over-states" the importance of the office of US President and the BBC gives any incumbent US president a lot of coverage - not as much as the royals but a fair bit.

    As the United Kingdom and the monarchy's state propaganda broadcaster, the BBC is always looking for a pretext to promote the Queen and royal family in America and to undermine the independence of the US President internationally, particularly the US president's independence and willingness to offer US support to republican secessionist politics, for example, to Scottish republicans.

    In my struggle for Scottish independence, there is no-one stronger that I would want on my side than the US president. The UK and the BBC know that, which is why they are so concerned to influence the US presidency, whomsoever is elected to that office.
     
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    Trump wants war? Who with? Not yet with the Queen, unfortunately, for Scottish republicans like me.

    Blessed are the peacemakers, so let us offer the Queen a peaceful way out, going into exile with her family - say to Queen Elizabeth Land in the Antarctica.

    I am sure that the penguins there will not object to not being allowed to elect their own head of state.

    True, there are some so-called "Scots" with the political self-respect of a penguin, who are very happy with the imposed monarch.
     
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    You’re killing me :wall:
     
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    Given the (un)popularity he enjoys, do you really want to tie your (noble) cause to Trump? Do you really believe he represents some kind of durable legacy?
     
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    Currently Trump enjoys higher ratings than Obama at the same point of his presidency. Thought, I’d correct you just a little :)
     
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    I don't know about Scots, but right here any tie to anything populistic/Trump is enough to spook away about 4/5th of the female population to their gut, with no discernable gain in the males. It only exites a very vocal minority.

    Association with Trump will sound like association with GWB's regime in its own time. Who wants to put his stocks in a dead man?
     
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    It was a Scot who started the first first Petition to get Trump banned from the UK which got around half a million signatures. That was a far better indicator of Scottish opinion of Trump. Do not mistake Mr Dow for Scot's in general :)
     
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    It was between the lines as I asked Peter the question - but yes, I think that Trump is part of a much durable US tradition, a tradition that I date back to Reagan. There are, like I've wrote, a very vocal minority that gives the impression of a much larger movement, but I don't think this movement is one of strength, and I don't think Trump's final days will give it any strength neither.

    But I have been wrong before...
     
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    Before Trump was elected a lot of people were saying that if Trump did not become President this time there would be someone worse than him in a few years. That people were up for that now in the US. You have the rise including into power of the American Christian Right as well as to a lesser degree the alt right and as you say the Reganites as well as some who are just fed up with not being able to get a job or a home. The US now is a gold mine for the far right. A return to democratic values is I think probably the only possibility of stopping the US moving that way now and I do not think that will happen without the failure of neo liberalism being addressed.
     
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    "IN THE NOW. Funny, Feisty, In your feeds".

    "well enough" for American satirical comedy, certainly. Reminds me of the Daily Show, formerly with Jon Stewart who used to tease the Bush Presidency mercilessly I seem to remember.

    However not "well enough" to represent US policy internationally.

    The performer is trying to amuse Americans, not irresponsibly terrify the English-speaking citizens of the world.

    When she says "We are ****ed", she is not referring to you, Alexa. She is trying to confirm the prejudices of those Americans who perhaps didn't vote for Trump.

    Getting online doesn't make you Alexa, an American who didn't vote for Trump but got him as your president anyway.

    Trump is not your president because you are not an American.

    Online or not, you are, your information page says, in Scotland, which is ruled by Queen Elizabeth, not Trump and so it is the Queen and the policies of the Queen's ministers which you ought to be most concerned about.
     
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    America never really moved away from Democratic values which is why we got a Donald Trump in the first place. All my life 'left' referred to socialism/communism and it still does. they became so entrenched we will never dig them out but we might be able to maintain some degree of balance if we can interrupt the handover through globalism. The world treated Obama like it's very own President and I think he forgot he was ours. Trump is aware of where his home is and where his loyalties lie.
     
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    What I want, what some Canadians might like, is neither here nor there, but try this for size.


    NATION STATES - The Federation of Yes We Canada
    History
    The Federation of Yes We Canada began as the country Canada which achieved full constitutional independence from the United Kingdom in 1982.

    Following the referendum of the United Kingdom to exit (Brexit) from the European Union and the election of Donald Trump in 2016 as President of the United States and the doomed but dogged pursuit by the UK and the USA of outdated fossil fuel energy policies, attempting but failing to buck the global transition to renewable energy, the UK and USA suffered catastrophic economic decline and political disintegration leading to the secession of Scotland and Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom and the secession of most of the Blue states which had voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, those on the West coast and North East coasts of the the USA and those with a land or sea border with Canada.

    Most of the newly independent states having left the UK and USA acceded to various treaties of Federation with Canada which country adopted its new title "The Federation of Yes We Canada" in honour of the election slogan "Yes We Can" of President Obama the previous US President.

    Seminal act. Meeting of Condoleezza Rice and Peter MacKay in Nova Scotia, 2006
    Historians generally agree that the seminal act of the Federation of Yes We Canada was the meeting of US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Canadian Foreign Minister Peter MacKay in Pictou County, Nova Scotia, Canada on September 11 & 12, 2016.
    Condi Rice on her night with Peter MacKay
    Rice credits it with helping her decide not to quit her job

    Condi's visit to Nova Scotia, Canada with Peter MacKay, Foreign Minister of Canada.
    Set to music "My Love" by Westlife.
    Condi - My Love



    The US Presidency is the most powerful political office in history and therefore the most durable, more durable than the throne of the British Empire certainly, a monarchy whose coat is on a shoogly peg, as we Scots say.
     
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    What democrat values? More balkanization by creating more victim groups and labeling everyone based on their race? Not enough transgender bathrooms?
     
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    It must have been a fake "Scot". A true Scot would rather ban the Queen, the imposed head of state who deprives true Scots of our freedom.
    Half a million BBC viewers ...
    ... whose opinion of Trump is decided by the BBC propaganda they watch.
    The BBC produced a profile video of me so that I would not be mistaken for their BBC viewers in general.

    Just being a BBC viewer who happens to live in Scotland and who has surrendered to the imposed Queen, doesn't qualify that BBC viewer as a true Scot, only as a fake "Scot". You have to fight for the free nation of Scots, wha hae wi' Wallace bled.
     
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    This from an Englishman.
    The Scots are the most ferocious soldiers in the world, just ask any enemy combatant who has been unfortunate enough to have to fight them.
    They are not all alcoholics despite the jokes such as "Did you hear about the Scotsman who arrived in London and lost all his luggage?. The cork fell out of the bottle".
    They will give you the shirt off their back unless you ask for it. Weird but they would have offered it to you before you needed to ask, you ask them and you won't get it, it's just the way they are.
    Call their kilt a skirt and you best start writing your will.
    Check on Scottish inventors to find that such things as the television, matches, percussion caps and the flush toilet were invented by the Scots.
     
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    Trump Rips NBC After Kristen Welker Asks if He’s Giving ‘Upper Hand’ to Putin: ‘Possibly Worse Than CNN’

    What I want to know is - was Kristen Welker showing a glimpse of thigh bare flesh above her stockings?

    To me that's more interesting than what Trump had to say.

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    I don't mention that to embarrass the good lady, but to embarrass Americans. That's how dull your president is.

    This is the only recent photograph of the current leader of the free world in the White House which I treasure.

    [​IMG]

    That's her on the left.

     
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    Peter, sorry you had to deal with our Trump haters in addition to your own. If these folks were representative of the average American Trump wouldn't have won the election. Raise an irn bru to your friends for me.
     
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    Don't you remember the Scot who called Trump a weapons grade plum?
     

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