‘It’s just horrifying’: Seven killed in Australia’s deadliest mass shooting in 22 years

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  1. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's not true. Perhaps a half million. Either way pass gun laws that permit the death penalty for the illegal manufacturer/sale of guns. The message will get out rather quickly that the people are serious about gun laws.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Guns are dangerous; that's why many governments want to ban them.
     
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    False. Not merely factually incorrect, but outright false. Reality cannot be changed. Do not make such an ignorant statement again.

    Exceedingly tough. Human trafficking is just one example of such.
     
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    That simply isn't true, and with today's variety of firearms you can find a low recoil weapon with sufficient stopping power at an affordable price. The elderly do not require hand cannons, but they need not be left defenseless because of your petty fears...
     
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    Then why have strict laws been unable to put pedophiles out of business? There is no legal market for the production and distribution of child pornography, and yet it exists in abundance and is traded on a daily basis. Explain why such is the case.
     
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    Martial arts take years to learn properly, are quite expensive to learn, require physical fitness to be performed, and are just as accessible by the criminal as the potential victim. Their knowledge of martial arts may even be superior to that of their potential victim.
     
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    LOL, you must think firing a firearm is rocket science or something. Do you think an elderly person could whip them with karate?
     
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    My reaction to naive comment, where spurious conclusion is celebrated, is well known. Its jolly good that I'm being consistent.

    You happened to reference a very poor paper. I can only tell you the truth over its limitation. That you chose that enfeebled review is revealing mind you (it typically is the result of copy and paste from message boards). Why didn't you go with Kleck's more recent review? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004723521400107X

    That would have at least shown some engagement with the research!

    This is an ignorant comment. The approach isn't used to derive exact measures of 'crimes per gun'. Its used to test a clear-cut hypothesis: more guns=more crime.

    If you had read the research then you'd know that the review was poorly done. For example, where's the reference to Duggan's research?

    Try: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harvard-flaw-review/

    You honestly need to be told? It undertakes no quantitative or qualitative analysis. Instead it essentially pitches a biased essay. It doesn't review all of the available empirical research, nor does it provide any justification for its conclusions.

    Nope. Simply the papers with the most cites.

    Name one? Let's have some indicator of quality from it.

    Then why did you choose to reference such an enfeebled source?

    Fit? Why then did you choose to go for a poor review that can make no evaluation on the quality of fit? Why didn't you refer to empirical analysis that directly provides such measures?

    Thanks for the laugh!
     
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    As opposed to countless hundreds to thousands of other everyday implements that are equally dangerous, but otherwise ignored by government?
     
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    Firing a gun isn’t rocket science but my elderly mother couldn’t pull the slide back on my Sig. That being said....karate isn’t going to do sh!t either.
     
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    My elderly Uncle could not work a slide, so I found a gun he could handle, a S&W top break revolver, caliber .38 S&W, and it proved quite handy.
     
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    My mother doesn’t need or want a gun but if she were to have one revolver would be the way to go. The trigger pull is quite heavy in DA, but in SA it’s feather light. At least that’s how my S&W 686 was.
     
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    I never tell people what they need or want.

    When they come to a decision, I help make a match.
     
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    this is a free and open forum.

    non-Americans have every right to comment on American issues.

    stop trying to stifle discussion
     
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    And maybe they should mind their own business.
     
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    Jolly well said !
     
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    Well, there's a ridiculous comment of the first stripe.

    My mother was wheelchair bound due to crippling RA and having had a stroke the last ten years of her life. She was still mentally sharp... and she had a S&W Centennial she could still qualify expert with right up to the end of her life. Any miscreants who thought the frail and elderly woman in the wheelchair was a helpless victim would have been proven catastrophically wrong.

    My grandfather was a cop for 40 years, and right up until the end of his life he was still one of the deadliest gunfighters you could have come across.

    Many elderly are frail. Claiming "most" would be "unable to fire a weapon anyhow" is a statement bereft of factual justification.
     
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    Guns are only "dangerous" to the power of totalitarians. It's why so many dictators start out by disarming their subjects.
     
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    That's why older people are better served with revolvers.
     
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    Agreed
     
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    LOL! I said nothing about a "conspiracy". You need to find better sources.

    "Two years ago this month, news of the replication crisis reached the front page of the New York Times. “Psychology’s Fears Confirmed: Rechecked Studies Don’t Hold Up,” read the A1 headline on the morning of Aug. 28, 2015. The journal Science had just published a landmark effort to reproduce the findings of 100 recent peer-reviewed psychology experiments, and just 39 of those replications succeeded. This dispiriting result, the Times reported, “confirmed the worst fears of scientists who have long worried that the field needed a strong correction.”
    SLATE: SCIENCE, Is Science Broken? Or is it self-correcting? By Daniel Engber, Lisa Larson-Walker, AUG. 21 2017.
    http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...is_not_self_correcting_science_is_broken.html
     
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    All we would need is a Stalin or a Hitler for that. ;-)
     
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    Governments are heartless killers. I bet you know that. ;-)
     
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    Both the Walther CCP and the S&W Shield 380 EZ have very easy slide manipulation and are designed as such.
     

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