Stop Trying to Position Atheism as Merely a Lack of Belief

1. Right, and what is your evidence that this “nothing” does now or has ever existed? If you have evidence that this “nothing” existed, then why should I or anyone else consider an argument predicated on its existence?

2. Numerous experiments have been conducted showing that amino acids (the basic precursors to life) can be produced through entirely natural processed in conditions similar to those of early Earth.

3. No. The Goldilocks Zone for our sun goes from just outside Venus’s orbit to well past Mars’s orbit. The Earth could be millions of miles closer to or further from the sun and still per perfectly habitable for humans.

 

Please provide the reference or the definition.

 

If you are going to use the Goldilocks Zone as an example of how we must have been created by a deity, you are putting the cart before the horse, or to use my favorite analogy:

If you came across a pothole in the road that was filled with water, would you believe that pothole must have been created with that specific shape and depth to hold that much water? Or would you believe that the water conformed to the conditions of the pothole?

 

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If the sun was either closer or farther than it is this planet would be uninhabitable except by cockroaches.[/QUOTE]

Not true. If the sun was closer or farther away different life forms would have evolved than currently exist.

 

It's pretty exhaustive. If this is going to be an inquisition you're going to have to get your own reading material.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0849...other+gods&dpPl=1&dpID=51XewsBc3-L&ref=plSrch

 

Not true. If the sun was closer or farther away different life forms would have evolved than currently exist.[/QUOTE]

I believe I just said that. But we wouldn't.

 

Neither. Seriously, I would say "There's a pothole, I hope I don't hit it, I just had my wheels aligned". What are you getting at?

 

I believe I just said that. But we wouldn't.[/QUOTE]

No you said it would be inhabited only by cockroaches. And technically even that probably isn't true for existing life forms given the incredible range of temperatures and pressures where life currently exists.

 

So you can't actually provide the definition. Thought not.

And what the book claims is that it proves the uniqueness of the Christian message not a unique definition of god that can apply only to one single Christian sect out of the myriad of Christian sects not to mention the thousands of other religions.

Nobody would argue that the tenants of every religions has aspects that differentiate it from most if not all other religions.

 

Some of these gods are good, and some are pure evil.

 

Yeah right I am. LOL Separation of church and state: that's the law. I believe it is un-American, and indeed anti-American, to deny the law of the land--which is "separation of church and state."

 

It’s a rather awful argument to say life existing in the Goldilocks zone of a star is evidence of a deity. No ****, life is going to exist in the Goldilocks zone, that’s the only place it can evolve.

 

1. Einstein said that his speed of light speed limit did not apply to the universe itself because the universe was not in the universe. How far do you want to take this something/nothing argument? Is the universe something? Then it expanded faster than the speed of light in the nothing.

2. Amino acids are amino acids, not life. Build me a rat out of those amino acids and we'll talk.

3. The average temperature on Venus is 864 degrees F. The average temperature of Mars is -85F.

 

Welcome to ignoreville, repeating the same things over and over again is tedious.

 

Nope, it looks like evidence of design to me, and I wasn't talking about generic life, I wss talking about human beings.

 

1. Demonstrate that there is anything outside the universe and further demonstrate this substance outside the universe is “nothing”.

2. Amino acids are what is behind DNA and RNA. DNA and RNA are the basis of life.

3. Venus’s temperature is that high because it’s atmosphere is far thicker than Earth’s. Mars temperature is that low because it barely has an atmosphere.

 

Human beings could exist on an Earth that is millions of miles closer or further from the sun.

Your “evidence of design” is assuming the pothole was created with that specific shape and depth to hold that amount of water.

 

1. Argue with Einstein, not me.

2. Basis of life is not life.

3. What makes you think Earth would have the same atmosphere it does now if it was as close as Venus or as far away as Mars? You are making a lot of assumptions.

 

Prove it.

 

1. Einstein provided no proof of “nothing” and Quantum Physics has moved well beyond Einstein.

2. Right. Which is why if you have a pile of bricks and boards, it’s safe for me to say you can never build a house with them.

3. Venus’s atmorphere has far far far more CO2 than ours does and that has nothing to do with its distance from the sun.

Mars doesn’t have a magnetic field, which again has nothing to do with distance from the sun, and the lack of a magnetic field means solar winds have scoured away it’s atmosphere.

 

Because it already does. You know our orbit is ELLIPTICAL and not circular right? Our distance from the sun already varies by millions of miles each year.

 

Except for one thing: earth is closer to the sun in the northern hemisphere in the winters and farther away in the summer. Venus orbit is roughly circular. More evidence of design?

 

1. Einstein was ahead of all of them, you can't blow him off that easily.

2. Lousy analogy. But, I can't build a house with no tools no matter how many building materials I have.

3. So are you saying Mars did have a magnetic field at one time?

 

The generalisation mainly. There are millions of people around the world who happen to be atheist, among all their other individual characteristics. Presenting a definitive "This is what atheists think" is wrong and when it's a largely negative representation, insulting.

 

Change my mind, then.

Let me put it this way - when I see people ruining my reputation as a Christian I try to straighten them out. Straightening atheists out is your side of the street.