Fact Check: ObamaCare, Not Trump, Is To Blame For Rise In Uninsured In 2017

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fact Check: ObamaCare, Not Trump, Is To Blame For Rise In Uninsured In 2017

    You hear it here all the time, it's Trump's fault, but is it?



    MORE: https://www.investors.com/politics/...mp-is-not-to-blame-for-rise-in-the-uninsured/
     
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    it sure is
     
  3. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Facts be damned eh?
     
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    especially when they are blatant lies such as those reported in that link ;)
     
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    About what can be expected, blatant rejection based on some prejudiced notion without being able to counter even a single fact that was presented. So the real "truth" of the matter, being you can't seem to counter, is rejection based on what you want to feel as true.

    That is not a valid argument.
     
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    Since the GOP and Trump passed legislation limiting the amount that went to states, made coverage optional, allowed incomplete coverage plans, left mandates for preexisting conditons and caps to the discretion of each state gov., bet your asteroid it’s no longer Obamacare. The cost for insurance and the increased in the uninsured is at the door step of the GOP. 9 of the last 10 recessions were under GOP budgets. They result in loses of insurance to many. If we don’t get one in the next several years, it will be a first in modern history that Republicans have escaped one that long.
    It’s no longer Obamacare. Obamacare did much to protect people’s health insurance during the recovery from the Bush debackle recession.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...publican-presidents-rule-recessions/93976832/
     
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  7. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bwahahaha, it was failing before that.
     
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    Sure. Keep telling yourself that. Other Trumpets will believe you.
     
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    if it has to be subsidized by the federal gov, it is a failed system
     
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    It’s actually Trump’s parents fault for not practicing birth control.
     
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    So, do you like your MEDICARE ?
     
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    No.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Facts are facts! Sorry you are unaware of them.
     
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    When we hear some, we’ll let you know.
     
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    Gotta luv that private insurance which can deny preexisting conditons and drop you anytime. Let’s make America great again so we can return to 30k dying each year for lack of insurance amd when the biggest cause of bankruptcies are for medical expenses.
     
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    Fact: businesses only charge what their customers can afford, or they are out of business.
    Maintenence plans and 3rd party payers are what has made it so expensive
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The blind shall not see. The TDS will believe anything.
     
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    Your fallacy is comparing healthcare to other private businesses .. If you break your arm or contract cancer, unlike buying a car you don’t look for options, you’ll go the nearest hospital and go into to debt to save your life, regardless of what it costs. You will pay what ever they ask, or they won’t treat you past the emergency room care. You don’t determine costs in healthcare. The post you wrote is all fake news.

    But what the hey, you may believe in God and will gladly offer your thoughts and prayers when a child gets sick and is denied long term care because her family lost their job and their healthcare during one of your last 9 recessions.
    Let’s make America great again and go back to letting more uninsured die.
     
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    Witticisms lacking wit I see.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The clueless lacking clue I see.
     
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    that's what real insurance, catastrophic plans are for
     
  22. Mr_Truth

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    Obamacare Stabilized Last Year. Then Trump Screwed Things Up.


    https://slate.com/business/2018/05/was-obamacare-working-yes-until-trump-came-along.html



    One of the big early problems with Obamacare was that insurance companies couldn’t make any money off of it. They charged premiums that were too low, enrolled patients that were sicker than expected, and ended up in the red. Facing these losses, some carriers pulled out of the market entirely, leaving many parts of the country with just a single insurer to choose from, and leading to questions about whether the whole law might unravel.

    But new data suggests that, in 2017, the market finally stabilized. For every dollar they collected in premiums last year, insurers paid out 82 cents on medical claims on average, according to a recent report by the Kaiser Family Foundation. That’s down from 96 cents in 2016 and $1.03 in 2015. “After several years, the remaining insurers figured out how to earn a profit in the individual insurance market,” Kaiser Senior Vice President Larry Levitt told me.

    KFF


    The main reason is fairly simple: Insurers hiked their premiums sharply, pushing them up by 22 percent, while claims only increased by 5 percent. These increases obviously weren’t ideal for customers who were stuck paying full price. But by pushing premiums high enough that insurers could finally make a buck, this dramatic, one-time adjustment, should have set the market up for much gentler, single-digit price increases in the future.


    KFF

    But things didn’t quite work out that way. Thanks to Donald Trump’s decision to stop paying key subsidies to insurers, premiums shot up once again this year. Early evidence suggests they’ll rise by double digits once again in 2019 in order for insurers to avoid losing money, largely because Republicans chose to repeal Obamacare’s individual mandate, which kept insurance prices down to some degree by requiring all adults to obtain coverage. These coming premium increases shouldn’t hurt Americans who receive subsidies to buy insurance on the exchanges, since the tax credits cap premiums as a percentage of their income. But middle class families that don’t get financial help are going to take a hit, and many could be priced out of the market.

    Again, this could have easily been avoided, had Republicans just left the law alone, instead of trying with every ounce of their power to wreck it. For a hot second, Obamacare was working roughly as intended. And now it’s broken again.





    Blame Trump!
     
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    Subsidize insurers, funny.
    Now cry about the rich for me
     
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    substitute the military industrial complex and the right wingers would be happy
     
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    I don't support it
     

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