Is it useless to debate abortion?

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a preposterous falsehood. You can't even figure out the difference between the descriptive adjective and a noun form of the word "human"

    Nor can you figure out the difference between a single human cell "Zygote" and a baby.

    Further you think that repetition of premise "its a baby - its a baby" over and over again is proof of claim.
     
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  2. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This lady was nearly murdered 41 years ago.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44357373
     
  3. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't support abortion laws. Either people need to start to take responsibility for their sexual actions, or keep their legs shut, or get the snip.
     
  5. FoxHastings

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    If everyone "took responsibility" for their every action we'd have a perfect world.
    BUT the history of the world shows that humans will not always do that....the entire history of the world backs me up.

    People will not stop having sex.

    If you don't support abortion laws then you are Pro-Choice.....I don't support any law against or restricting abortions, that is Pro-Choice.


    BTW, having an abortion when you don't want and/or can't afford a kid IS taking responsibility.
     
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  6. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Type into Google, "Abortion Pictures" and look at the images. That's the result of Pro Choice when they can't be Pro Responsible. Living in society and children are a responsibility. Maybe schools should teach "Responsibility" classes.
     
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    LOL! Ya, I'm sure those are Anti-Choice sites:roll: Besides what difference does it make what it looks like? Gee, heart surgery is so gross, let's outlaw it !!


    Oh YA! Why didn't the world think of that before? Just have "pro-responsibility" classes and human nature will change!!!!

    How about a "don't cheat on your taxes" class? That'll end tax cheat's careers!!

    How about a "don't hire a hooker" classes...oh, gosh, no more prostitution!



    It IS responsible to have an abortion if you don't want and/or can't afford a kid.

    And , NO, NO one is obligated to use birth control, no one is obligated to put drugs or foreign objects in their bodies...
     
  8. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They should get the snip then if they can't achieve a basic task.
     
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    Why? Because YOU think so?:roll::roflol:
     
  10. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, because they can't.
     
  11. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Can't what ? (???)
     
  12. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Achieve a basic task.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem is, too many people think with what's in their underwear as opposed to using the grey mass in their head.
     
  14. FoxHastings

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    YUPPERS! And it's ALWAYS been that way with humans, stupid humans AND smart humans...humans are sexual creatures, they have sex wisely and unwisely, married or single....and I have the entire history of the world to prove my point that humans, human nature, will not, and hasn't, changed when it comes to sex.


    You can stand on the street corner and scream, "Stop having sex".....and humans will not stop having sex. That is a fact you cannot get around.
     
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    Simple answer, yes.
     
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    Not with everyone, just those that end up being daft and needing an abortion.

    You find that taking personal responsibility for your own actions has been eroded for many years.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    YUPPERS! And it's ALWAYS been that way with humans, stupid humans AND smart humans...humans are sexual creatures, they have sex wisely and unwisely, married or single....and I have the entire history of the world to prove my point that humans, human nature, will not, and hasn't, changed when it comes to sex.


    You can stand on the street corner and scream, "Stop having sex".....and humans will not stop having sex. That is a fact you cannot get around.


    Not what with everyone...?


    could you be a little more explicit about what you are trying to say...??



    No, it hasn't....humans have always had faults...

    IF it had been a eroding since humans were humans then it would have completely disappeared by now and the world would be in worse chaos than it is now....NO, humans have not changed their basic needs...


    You didn't refute one word of :

    ""And it's ALWAYS been that way with humans, stupid humans AND smart humans...humans are sexual creatures, they have sex wisely and unwisely, married or single....and I have the entire history of the world to prove my point that humans, human nature, will not, and hasn't, changed when it comes to sex."""
     
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    Debate is important, but I don't think there have been any new developments in abortion that will change the validity of debates that have already occurred. It comes down largely to personal subjective opinion, and politics, and religion.
     
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    Based on your logic, if you no longer want your house or can't afford it, you should be able to burn it down. Is that considered responsible behavior.

    Why, if the woman doesn't have an abortion, also a choice, but can't afford to support what SHE chose to have, why does it become the responsibility of those you pro choice advocates say should butt out when she makes whatever choice it is with her body? It's rather hypocritical to say don't tell me what to do with my body then demand what you chose to do be funded by those you told had no business in the choice when it was made.
     
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    That's no analogy or comparison at all.



    No , it's not hypocritical. Everyone , even pregnant women, have a right to their own bodies.

    No matter what ANYONE does with their body the basic right is that one owns one's body.

    You can't take away people's rights based on what they legally do.

    You can't charge a fee for rights..like saying you have rights only if you don't get any benefits...that's asinine..
     
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    It includes everything you baby killers use when arguing in favor of abortion. Want, affordability, and getting rid of something you don't want or can't afford.

    The hypocrisy is when the one that said what she does with her body is no one else's business demands help from those she told to butt out because she can't afford the results of her choice.
     
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    No , it's not hypocritical. Everyone , even pregnant women, have a right to their own bodies.

    No matter what ANYONE does with their body the basic right is that one owns one's body.

    You can't take away people's rights based on what they legally do.

    You can't charge a fee for rights..like saying you have rights only if you don't get any benefits...that's asinine..




    Can we just say that your "problem" with women will not let you see the basic facts here?

    Rights are NOT based on personal decisions or choices....
     
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    My problem isn't women making the choice. My problem is the hypocrisy shown by those that say their choice is no one else's business when the choice is made then demanding those they told to butt out pay for that choice when she can't do it herself. You're looking at it from the choice standpoint. My point is that if she makes the choice, it's her responsibility to pay for everything related to it not expect others she said had no say in the choice to do it when she can't.

    It's real simple. If she chooses to have children she can't afford, don't expect the rest of us to support her kids when can't.
     
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    No , it's not hypocritical. Everyone , even pregnant women, have a right to their own bodies.

    No matter what ANYONE does with their body the basic right is that one owns one's body.

    You can't take away people's rights based on what they legally do.

    You can't charge a fee for rights..like saying you have rights only if you don't get any benefits...that's asinine..




    Can we just say that your "problem" with women will not let you see the basic facts here?

    Rights are NOT based on personal decisions or choices....





    There is no hypocrisy. You obviously just don't want to understand what I wrote in my posts.

    American citizens have a right to expect help from the government when they need it, that is government's job.

    The right to bodily autonomy is not based on citizens getting or needing help to live.


    I see you are against parents having tax breaks for children or elementary education or streets for them to get around on or being able to use the court systems or public buildings or being defended by our military, etc. because they chose to have them so they should lose all their rights to any government support ?

    That's quite silly.

    You may call it hypocritical but it isn't.


    The fact is that people have kids whether they can afford them or not and your idea that helping poor children is bad or wrong just doesn't fly...
     
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    I'm against someone telling me to butt out then demanding I come back in when they don't like the results of THEIR choice.
    It's not my responsibility to pay for her kids. It's hers. Remember, SHE made the choice to have them. Unless I'm the one that got the ***** from her that produced the kid, the kid isn't my responsibility to support.

    By the way, it's not the government's job to provide for people who won't provide for themselves.
     

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