Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope....this is the pointing out your priorities (lack of compassion) part where I post what you typed to prove my point again.

    "And I sincerely doubt that you would listen if I did, but I will say that I and many others can do without your brand of "compassion", sooner or later you run out of other people's money, and having made us poor you suddenly run out of compassion. Calling yourself "compassionate" is not enough, you are then expected to be compassionate."
     
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  2. it's just me

    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    Let me add this: neither can you see through your own lack of self-awareness. You people crack me up. You want to talk about the "teachings of Christ" but you think the teachings of Christ are for everyone but you. You think you get to beat everybody else over the head with it like a boss and claim that your politics are the will of God. We used to call people like that "Bible thumpers". You're no different. You're just another fundie with a different hat, I used to call them "fundamentalist atheists", then I found out I didn't have seniority on the term, someone coined it before me.
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    "When did atheists become the new fundamentalists? I have known many atheists beginning with my wonderful dad, who insisted I not use the word “God” or pray at his funeral. But this new breed is different: closed-minded, entrenched, and bellicose, shouting and proselytizing their disbelief in the God of their fathers as determinedly and humorlessly as their forebears proselytized with such certainty for a definite, iron-clad system of punishments and rewards in a pie-in-the-sky afterlife. Why do these new atheists allow the Christian fundamentalists to define their reality? And why are they so angry?"


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/w-hunter-roberts/atheism-the-new-fundament_b_4767900.html
     
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  4. a better world

    a better world Well-Known Member

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    No, but it might pay to recall Jesus' words:

    I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:23-26

    You still want to pay tax on a voluntary basis?
     
  5. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    Lol..you don’t even know what a sexist is.
    How many women are on the lists?
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think the poster ever said s/he was better than anyone else...obviously you think s(he is or you wouldn’t make that accusation. You don’t tell an ugly girl that she thinks she’s so gorgeous...you tell that to pretty girls
     
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    :applause::applause::applause:
     
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  8. a better world

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    Zero regard for individual rights and freedom/liberty?

    Fact is - if there is more than one individual in the world, then personal liberty must be defined in relation to the liberty of other individuals, hence the need for rule of law to promote well-ordered relations between self-interested individuals.

    It's a question of balance.

    (As for those demanding the right to eat unhealthy food, become alcoholic, etc, they wouldn't know liberty if they bumped into it, regardless of the costs of such activity to society. OTOH, in so far as dangerous sport (the other strawman argument in previous posts) only affects those engaging in it, minimal regulation is consistent with 'personal liberty').
     
  9. it's just me

    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    Well, I looked it up in the dictionary and your picture is next to it.
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    Oh, please...
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    We all know where you are coming from.
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    And I bet you think you’re a nice person
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    Hey that’s a riot....if you’re 12. I looked up doddyhead and your name was there.
     
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  14. a better world

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    At least you have defined the problem as you see it: it's all about "money".

    Inequality is soaring. CEO pay is now >300 times the average worker and rising. Full-time minimum wage is below the poverty level, with 40 million Americans living in poverty. Your solution?
     
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    Where did Jesus teach his followers to take the rich man's money and give to others?
     
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    :applause:

    Well said!
     
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    By individual liberty - I am referring to liberties outside the legitimate purview of Gov't. The legitimate authority of Gov't in our system is - protection from harm - direct harm - one person on another - rape, murder, theft and so on.

    Utilitarianism has "ZERO" regard for individual liberty. All that is considered is "increased happiness for the collective".

    Utilitarianism is an anathema to the Rule of Law - (one person is not to be punished for the actions of another - innocent until proven guilty)

    I agree that in grey area's using such justification for law can be applicable but, not as a general principle for making law.

    The claim that someone harming themselves through alcohol "harms all of us" is different than someone harming themselves through sport is false. (I don't think you know what a strawman is ? - perhaps you mean false dichotomy). If someone is injured in sport this "harms all of us - via increased medical costs" in the same way as treating an alcoholic for medical ailments.

    Regardless - you would have to make a specific argument for me to comment much further.

    The fact of the matter is that - "increased medical costs" is not a valid justification for law in general. This action seeks to punish all for the actions of a few - a clear violation of the rule of law - never mind how it is often a fallacious utilitarian argument (meaning that the law will not increase happiness overall).
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    And do you know where income inequality is the worst? Good old liberal Califonia, home of corrupt politicians, Hollywood stars, and homeless people. "Liberals" have fixed it so no working stiff can buy a house, let alone pay the taxes. So is New York.
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    I am a nice person, I am also an honest person, which is more than I can say for half the people on this site.
     
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    Well Jesus was a liberal, most of the things Jesus stood for far right Christians oppose...

    I think that Jim Croce put it best in his song "Which Way Are You Going". Far right Christians "Say they love the baby, then crucify the man"
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    That's the thing that confuses me, leftwits always want to hijack Jesus even as they say he never existed...
     
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    Read your posts. First you clam that public schools are the place kids learn the "correct" social behavior, and that if a parent wants their kids to be idiots then don't put them in public school. You wanted them homeschooled, clearly believing that home schooling produced idiots, insinuating that public school was the only "correct" place for education. Then you backed off in your next post.
     
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    No but he did tell a rich man to sell everything he had and give to the poor.
    Meaning if what you have causes you to put more importance on stuff or your own special freedoms...you are doing it wrong.
     
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    tealwings Well-Known Member

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    Like the repealed Seattle head tax law circus. Who knows what those shysters at the top are doing.

    I dont see why having a safety net for disenfranchised people is so hated. A growing government will happen with either party because the system is messed up.
     
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    He didn't tell you to tell the rich man to sell his stuff, or to worry about what the rich man has
     

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