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Creationism in schools, yes or no?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by DennisTate, Apr 7, 2018.

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Should Creationism or Theistic Evolutionary Theory be taught in universities and schools?

  1. Yes... Creationism... and Young Earth Theory.

    1 vote(s)
    5.9%

  2. Yes.... Theistic Evolutionary Theory.... and Old Earth Theory

    2 vote(s)
    11.8%

  3. In universities yes... .but not in schools.

    9 vote(s)
    52.9%

  4. I am not sure.... but our kids are a mess so we have to consider this!

    5 vote(s)
    29.4%
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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have a possible loophole in scriptures in mind........
    that I believe could initiate the Era of Moshiach..... if the Jewish Bible is connected to an off the scale
    fundamental intelligence capable...... of far greater feats of engineering, medicine, free energy.........
    than we humans can do so far............

    Since G-d stated that the king would charge Israel ten percent.......
    if the tax rate in Israel were to be reduced to nine percent...... Moshiach would have to come to Israel and/ or be raised up by G-d somehow?

    Would a NINE percent rate of taxation signal the era of Messiah/ Moshiach/ Mahdi?

    1Samuel 8:15

    And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once G-d raises us up to a position of responsibility or power.......
    we have no choice but to admit that our decisions.... will affect the lives of others.

    If I was an elected official I would be in favour of confronting students with the case that can be presented that G-d evolved.... but Adam and Eve were created..... but before our grand parents were created.... Covering Cherub Lucifer rebelled........


    https://www.near-death.com/science/articles/richard-eby-and-secomd-coming-of-christ.html#a03

     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are going to get a laugh out of this......
    my daughter showed me this video a few minutes ago......
    This is AWESOME!

     
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    There was no "No" vote, creationism has no place in school it's a matter of faith.
     
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    But some form of Creationism is already taught in many universities that are associated with
    churches........ so somebody would have to be thinking very much in line with Mao or Stalin to
    want to take those variations on Creationism Theory even out of universities?

    "In universities yes... .but not in schools." .... is as close to a "No" as you will get out of me!
     
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    I think universities to be different from primary schools, I will fight for a Christian's right to express themselves but it needs to a consensual choice we cannot force it down the necks of people who don't want to think that way. It really isn't the Christian way I was raised with (I no longer practise Christianity but it left a lasting impression on me)
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am a Christian......
    but I have taken to these forums partly because I believe that we Christians
    finally have information that is so good....... so clear..... so plain and easily understood......
    that we can have a paradigm shift in
    the way that we apply the direct order that we got to go into all nations with the "gospel" / Good News
    of the Kingdom of G-d.

    Sincere apologies for taking 5 years to understand NDE comments on Gay Community!


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a11
    Writings that are 1990 years old or older... is not exactly the type of spiritual information that I feel
    we need to be taking into schools...... except as a back up to the testimonies that we are receiving at this time:

    Our young people need some reasons to HOPE!

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a04h

    2Corinthians 12:2

    "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

    And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

    How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

    Eventual Universal Salvation... is an idea that former Sanhedrin Rabbi Saul who became the Apostle Paul...... would probably have considered to be unlawful to be taught at the time that he wrote to the Corinthians .... .but it seems that by the time he wrote Romans chapter 9, 10 and 11.... he was beginning to be more at peace with the out of the body / or possible NDE information that he had referred to in II Corinthians 12.

    My best guess is that Paul may have been referring to himself:

    Acts 14:19


    And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

    Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.
     
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    Our young people really need to hear people like Todd White.....
    and perhaps former Atheist Howard Storm...... to be given the high level of hope
    for the future that can make them much more capable of resisting the temptation
    to self destruct with drugs and alcohol.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04
    Former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D:
     
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    Your poll is total *****. Where is the NO in any circumstance option?
     
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    Post #305 explains why.....

     
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    Thanks. That still doesnt mean his poll options arent crap. :) He should have broken that down into private religious colleges, and public universities.
     
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    Good point... I didn't think of doing that at that time.
     
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    Where is the NO vote?
     
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    This is a close to a No as I was prepared to go......
    because some variation of Creationism or Theistic Evolutionary Theory is already
    taught in essentially all North American Universities that are associated with churches
    or Synagogues.

    If you were to read chapter 13 of "Stephen Hawking's Universe"
    that was entitled The Anthropic Principle you might be reminded of it if you were to read:


    https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05
     
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    If Atheist theories are taught in schools, then so should Creationism. We really do not know much about even recent history, let alone six millennia ago.
     
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    Actually I realize there is an option that could be a bit more interesting. What about teaching it in an elective course of some kind? I don't believe it should fall into the science realm, but if people were willing to take a course on religion in a public school as an elective I'd be for it. I believe that having the ability to have a broad base of experiences makes us more open to others and more forgiving as well.
     
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    EXACTLY.... the primary point that I was attempting to make in this discussion!

    Atheistic Evolutionary Theory is a Theory......... Theistic Evolutionary Theory and Old Earth plus a Gap Theory..... is also a Theory........ and the Law of Probability, String Theory, Grand Unified Theory, The Cyclic Model....... and Multiverse Theory...... if they are looked at as an overview..... sure seem to imply that Theistic Evolutionary Theory plus Old Earth and a Gap Theory..... is much, much, much more probable..... than the Atheistic variation of Evolutionary Theory.
     
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    Well said.... that is an excellent point........
    I guess one of my secondary goals for this discussion and poll would be to
    assist some influential Theists..... to take a more serious look at the teaching of the Being of Light of NDE fame......
    and begin to think about bringing this being..... whoever it is.... into at least some classrooms....

    .....
    Could Atheistic Evolutionary Theory be a lie?

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155731997529669
     
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    The advantage of having a separate class is that it can better represent all viewpoints. After all, the abrahamic religions are not the only ones in the world.

    The proper place for creationism is in a class that studies all the different religious traditions. I only object to creationism being taught in a science classroom, as science.
     
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    Are you sure?


    http://grandunifiedtheory.org.il/Book10/Lifecreatedby.htm
     
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    In my opinion.... the Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman writitings are not pseudo-science.....
    but we now have evidence that Atheistic Evolutionary IS ... pseudo-science!

    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/Book4/Html/Origin_of_life.htm
     
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    Still find this thread hilarious.

    “ should creationism be taught in school?”

    A) yes
    B) yes
    C) yes
    D) yes
     
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    It already is taught in many universities......
    and as long as Mr. Donald J. Trump is President...... the Mao and Stalin approach to this subject will NOT be applied in America!
     
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    If you believe God created man then the question for non-believers is who created God. The answer for any rationale and educated person is Man. Keep religion within the confines of the places of worship.
     
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    Or.... could it be that G-d in a sense evolved over infinite time in the past......
    whereas mankind had a specific time of having been created.....

    https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

    http://www.techtimes.com/articles/2...earth-s-animals-appeared-at-the-same-time.htm


    Massive Genetic Study Reveals 90 Percent Of Earth’s Animals Appeared At The Same Time
     
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