How can the rockets be stopped from landing on Sderot, Israel?

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would term myself a Christian Zionist but.........
    you might be surprised by this plan that I take quite seriously......

    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.
     
  3. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well your questions tell the truth. You do not know what you are talking about.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For many years Hamas has said they would accept a peace on 67 lines.
     
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    which is why it is a cop out when people say just get out and let them get on with it. That clearly is saying just let Israel do what she wants with the Palestinians and is in reality what was decided in 2003.
     
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    Israel is the one who is killing the Palestinians and deliberately maiming them for life. Israelis are not the people who live in fear, who need to accept the reality that every day may be their last. They may be struck by a drone or a bomb or shot by an Israeli. However around 30% of 18-35 year old Israelis would be willing to allow Palestinian Refugees to return in the full knowledge that that could be as many as 7,000,000 people so certainly within the youth in Israel there is a sizeable number of people who could work towards a fair and just solution. Some young Israelis have started chatting to the people of Gaza using the internet - where they can see each other when they are talking. Things like this are the greatest healers. People get to know each other and understand much more their situation. The thing that makes the biggest difference as to whether people care about other people is coming in contact with them. Obviously now Israelis rarely come in contact with Palestinians unless on the other end of a gun. I am impressed that young Israelis are taking the effort to do this. Israel is not a democratic country. She has different laws and rights for people dependent on whether they are Jews or Muslims. A democracy has the same rights for all. That is what a democracy is.
     
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  7. Grau

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    RE:

    Very easily, Israel could & should abide by international law for a change and honor UN Resolution 242 while paying reparations for stolen & destroyed land & property.

    However, the Netanyahu Regime has made it clear that it does not want peace(1) & prefers to continue its current policies of ethnic cleansing,(2) provocation & Land Theft(3).
    Since these heinous Zionist policies incite so much global outrage, the Netanyahu Regime has chosen to focus on hiring paid Hasbara hucksters to obfuscate Zionist ethnic cleansing rather than mitigating it through peaceful overtures.

    "Provoke-then-Massacre" has long been a tactic used by Right Wing Zionist extremists to kill as many of Palestine's native residents as they can get away with then get their Hasbara hirelings to flood the internet with scripted nonsense.

    "Moshe Dayan, in his diaries said: "Our strategy was always to provoke the Arabs and get an appropriate response so we could attack and smash them."
    http://www.sott.net/signs/signs154.htm





    (1) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
    http://www.haaretz.com/peace/1.601112

    EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone.
    Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides.

    The single most overwhelming item of evidence of Israel’s rejection of peace is, of course, the settlements project. From the dawn of its existence, there has never been a more reliable or more precise litmus test for Israel’s true intentions than this particular enterprise. In plain words: The builders of settlements want to consolidate the occupation, and those who want to consolidate the occupation do not want peace. That’s the whole story in a nutshell."CONTINUED


    (2) "Israel Outraged That Countries Object to Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians"
    https://www.corbettreport.com/israe...s-object-to-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians/

    EXCERPT "More specifically, the Security Council passed Resolution 2334 last week, condemning “all measures aimed at altering the demographic composition, character and status of the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, including, inter alia, the construction and expansion of settlements, transfer of Israeli settlers, confiscation of land, demolition of homes and displacement of Palestinian civilians, in violation of international humanitarian law and relevant resolutions.”CONTINUED


    (3) “New construction plans prove Israel doesn’t want peace”
    http://www.ampalestine.org/newsroom/new-construction-plans-prove-israel-doesn’t-want-peace

    EXCERPTIn blatant violation of UN Resolution 242, which prohibits the acquisition of land through war and calls for the immediate withdrawal of Israel from all occupied territories, Israel continues to colonize the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It uses the illegal settlements as the justification for the illegal annexation of Palestinian land into Israel.”CONTINUED
     
  8. zalekbloom

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    Bla, bla bla – bla bla bla. Ethnic cleansing, provocation & Land Theft, heinous Zionist policies and bla, bla, bla, bla…
    The fact is that Hamas in his chapter specify that it DOES NOT WANT PEACE with Israel. Instead of investing millions of dollars it is receiving in education and healthcare it invest in attack tunnels and arms.
    It burns checkpoints on Israeli border and complains that there are lines on other checkpoints with food delivery.
    It burns tires on Israeli border and complains that Israel does not delivery new tires fast enough.
    It leaders stay at home, but call to Palestinians to destroy the border fence – and than complain that Israeli army shoots and these vandals.
    They burn Israeli agriculture fields and complain that Israel is not sending enough food.
    They shoot rockets on Israeli utility facilities and complain that Israel is not sending enough electricity to Gaza.
    Every war produced refuges – millions of Germans became refuges in 1945 – today there not no German refuges.
    After partition of India in 1947 14 million of people became refuges – today there are none.
    So why we still have Palestinians refuges?
     
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    I've already resolved this; for every rocket that comes from Gaza, send one back from Israel. FFS is isn't effing rocket science. Well, not quite! :blankstare:
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bingo! You just showed to difference between Jews and Palestinians. While in Israel there many NGO's criticizing treatment of Palestinians, in Gaza and PLO territories there there are many organisations calling for killing Jews and prizing killing all Jews:


    Jews want democratic society without any discrimination, equal right to gays and women, why Palestinians want a Muslim county with Sharia Law where infidels will be forced to pay jizya.
     
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  11. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No they didn't. Previous Hamas chapters specified that they will never make peace with Israel, maximum they can make a ceasefire. The newest chapter says:
    1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.
    2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

    So at least let's talk the truth. Hamas wants to destroy Israel and they are very surprised Israelis does not accept Hamas proposition.
     
  12. Grau

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    I was able to document the fact that the Netanyahu Regime does not want a peaceful resolution & prefers to use their Zionist inspired "Provoke-then-Massacre" to accomplish their goal of eliminating all Palestinians & stealing what is left of their land.

    Of course the Palestinians are resisting the oldest, most brutal, foreign funded, foreign Occupation in modern history. Who wouldn't.

    Can you name any foreign invasion that has not been resisted by the native residents?

    Prior to the invasion of foreign Zionist Terrorist Gangs from Europe, Jews & Arabs got along reasonably well(1) until the invasion of foreign Zionist Terrorist Gangs (Irgun, Stern, Haganah etc).
    Since then, Palestine's native non Jewish residents have had their families massacred, homes destroyed & land stolen. Of course they're fighting back with whatever pitiful means they have.

    You asked: "So why we still have Palestinians refuges?" in comparison to Germans & Indians.
    The difference is that the Germans have Germany & the Indians have India but the foreign Zionist invaders have stolen Palestine only with the aid of distant Western countries.




    (1) “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

    EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

    Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

    The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with you that Netaniahu desire a peaceful resolution exactly as Hamas or Abu Abbas wants a peaceful resolution.

    In the Oslo accord there was Israeli-Palestinian agreement, but after the agreement Palestinians found a new hobby – to explode themselves in Israeli buses or restaurants and Israelis did not like this entertainment, so instead investing in peace talk, they invested in settlements.

    There are warmongers on both sides, but there is also a huge difference: when an Israeli soldier killed a wounded Palestinian terrorist – he was sentenced to jail. When a Palestinian terrorists killed an Israeli family and decapitated a three month infant – they were declared heroes and probably they will receive a pension from PLO Authority.
     
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    What is lost in most debates about the Israel - Palestine conflict is the basic fact that the Palestinian Arabs, Christian & Muslim, had been living in Palestine for generations BEFORE the invasion of FOREIGN Zionist Terrorist Gangs from Europe who had overwhelming support from foreign Colonial Governments.

    In the Occupied Territories & throughout the Islamic Mid East, the Nakba is considered a very recent event & the Palestinians are resisting a brutal, illegal and FOREIGN Occupation with militant Settlers from Brooklyn N.Y. stealing what had been Palestinian land for hundreds of years
    The problem for both America & Israel is that Netanyahu & his fellow Zionist Extreme Right Wingers have made it clear that they do not want peace under any reasonable conditions.
    Hamas, on the other hand revised it's Charter to accept a State(1) based on UN Resolution 242 which was a step in the right direction but as long as Israeli expansionists continue to build illegal settlements, Hamas is compelled to oppose Settlements through whatever pitiful means possible or else appear weak in the eyes of its people.

    Briefly put, the Netanyahu Regime is perfectly delighted to continue killing thousands of Palestinians & stealing their land while the Palestinians have no choice but to resist the longest, most brutal, US funded Occupation in modern history.



    (1) "Hamas presents new charter accepting a Palestine based on 1967 borders"
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders

    EXCERPT "Hamas has unveiled a new political programme softening its stance on Israel by accepting the idea of a Palestinian state in territories occupied by Israel in the six-day war of 1967.

    The new document states the Islamist movement it is not seeking war with the Jewish people – only with Zionism that drives the occupation of Palestine."CONTINUED
     
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    Well one way would be by sending in Assassinations squads to hunt down Hamas. Also Wanted Posters could be used for members of Hamas. Of course one could use Mercs too.

    I would go with all 3. Declaring Open season on Hamas. Then Telling Hezbollah.....you're next!
     
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    starting with bla-bla-bla arguments. When the Palestine was under Turkish rule, from 1881 as response to pogroms in Europe Jew began to settle in Palestine. From the beginning Jews settled on the land legally bought from Palestinian’s effendis. At the end Jews wanted their own country and under blessing of UN Israel was proclaimed. Some Palestinians run away from today’s Israel, some were expelled.

    You can call Zionist “Terrorist Gangs from Europe” and Palestinians who kidnap airplanes, explode themselves in the busses and restaurants ”a freedom fighters” – but the fact is that Jews treated Arabs in much humane way than Arabs treated Arabs, French treated Arabs in Algeria or British treated Hindus in India.

    And according to the new Hamas chapter – IT DID NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL.

    Or you are Hamas member and you are lying, or you are naïve person convinced by Hamas lies.

    Here is what it says:


    1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.


    2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.



    Briefly put – on one side you have a democratic country with human right protected for men, women without regard to religion or skin color and on the other side you have religious fanatics ready to kill any infidels, were women suspected to sexual promiscuity are regularly killed as gays or transgenders and people who explode themselves in buses or restaurants are considered heroes.
     
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    When something changes sometimes everything changes. It might be in Israel's best interest to use a bit of the Samson option first, and they should use some Samson if they determine that they should.
     

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