Want to live 10 years longer?

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  1. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    actually they do, carbs are essential...carbs are found in vegetables, whole fruit, legumes, potatoes and whole grains and fats are just converted carbs...after you reach maturity proteins are no longer required, proteins are linked to cancer in adults...
     
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    fat and protein is essential, carbs are not, you can survive just fine without carbs

    your body can make all the glucose it needs without carbs as long as you eat enough fats and proteins

    fats and proteins are essential, carbs are not, you can survive without carbs

    http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/protein/

    "We can live a whole lifetime (after infancy) without eating any carbohydrate, and we can live for 6 months or more without eating any fat, depending on how much fat we have on our bodies to begin with. However, we have no way to store proteins and can only live for a maximum of 70 days without eating any protein."

    "Since we can’t make proteins from scratch, and we can’t store excess protein, protein is the only macronutrient that we absolutely must eat regularly in order to thrive. Without enough protein in the diet, the body will have no choice but to break down muscle fibers to release the protein it needs to survive."

    I personally think the ideal diet is low carb, high fat, moderate protein

    though you could eat high enough carbs to create your own fat, and eat moderate protein, just not as good for your health imo

    I suppose you could even eat huge amounts of only protein, and that woudl create your glucose needs and fats if enough extra glucose from the protein - short term you woudl survive, but still not best for your health imo
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am screwed though at my age it helps not to die young like many I have known.

    I have outlived many who have lived very clean lives.
     
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    another part of the equation is stress, stress kills, if trying something new like quitting smoking, new diet, ext causes stress that leads to you dying sooner, it doesn't pay off, it's a gamble, one is just playing the odds, doesn't mean one will get the pay out, lots of variables - the reason people do chemo is they are playing the odds, they may lose, they may give up part of their life on the gamble that they will live longer... they may not.. they may of lived a long life without the chemo - it's a gamble

    some things "may" help one live longer, but it's not 100% a sure bet

    though with 20\20 hindsight, I would of done some things different for sure
     
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    If I did I'd quit smoking
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Would you care to share which things you would have done differently?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did a lot of those when younger but gained some weight as I get older that is harder to lose. My stress level is about zero. My job is awesome and will retire at 70.
     
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    probably the biggest is I would of ate less carbs and more fat
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not mean now, I mean if you were to take a drastic change like changing your diet or quitting smoking, ect.... for some those can be very stressful events and stress also plays a role in our health
     
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    That makes sense. The whole idiocy of "cutting fat out of your diet" was a boondoggle IMO. Fat is what makes food tasty and when manufacturers removed the fat they replaced it with corn syrup instead.
     
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    Very true. Unintended consequences also occured when butter was replaced by 'healthier' margarine, which contained trans-fats.
     
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    I think they knew exactly what they were doing. Trans fats don’t spoil as rapidly. Consumers were buying the cheaper margarine over butter with natural fats which were and are more expensive. The buying public has spoken. To save money they’re willing to eat foots that don’t spoil, but are less nutritious and contain more empty calories. I don’t blame the fast food industry, I blame the consumer who makes these choices every day.
     
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    low fat, high carb here. also no added salt, very little sugar, and mostly plant proteins. about 3 hours exercise a day, no smoking, and only occasional red wine.

    pretty much the standard diet of those groups who live past 100. none of them eat much protein, and when they do it's very lean, and in very small quantities. they live on carbs, vegetables, and non-saturated fats like olive and fish oils.
     
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    as long as you burn those carbs with 3 hours of exercise a day and avoid sugar as you say, you will probably be fine, the problem is most do not burn those high carbs and most of the carbs are from sugars

    processed food has so much sugar in it that most people do not even realise how much sugar they are eating

    that said, the oldest person to have lived was a smoker that smoked just shy of 100 years of her life, moderation is key, some peoples addiction to sugar, alcohol, cigarettes, ect is what does them in, they go to excess, the body can handle most things in moderation
     
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    Yeah fat is more filling per calorie than carbs. So cutting fat and adding carbs is generally bad, unless those carbs are coming from high fiber sources like fruits and vegetables. I lost weight recently, like 30 lbs. Hope not to gain it back unless it's muscle. Counting calories and replacing grains with vegis, and using fruits as snacks, was the main thing. I don't get that whole whole grain thing.
     
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    In terms of human physiology it's the default setting to be active, so we should be eating the best diet for this default setting - high carb, low fat. SOME people do too little exercise, but then they must rely on a dangerous alternative (high fat, low carb) to accommodate that. Seems an absurdly silly trade.

    If you can't handle a predominantly carb diet without gaining weight, you're essentially moving so little that you may as well be comatose. That's very extreme. Even ordinary incidental exercise (housework, gardening, walking to the store, etc) is enough to burn off most carbs in an hour.
     
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    What does 'filling' have to do with it, though? It's absolutely normal for the human body to be in a slight state of hunger for the majority of the day. In fact if you're not, you're eating way too much. And adding carbs is ALWAYS better than adding fat. It goes without saying that those carbs should be complex, not refined, but the fact remains. Carbs provide the ready fuel we need to perform physically. It takes far too long to access the energy provided by fats.
     
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    actually some athletes are starting to turn to high fat low carb, so saying that is a dangerous alternative is not reflected in real life, some would say the dangerous alternative is the current American high carb, low fat diet
     
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    Unless I get those years now instead of in my 90s I really don't care. I doubt I will be any good at video games at that point and how many 90 year olds have sex anymore....so what exactly is the point of living then? I mean what am I supposed to do, read books? LOL WTF!
     
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    There is a much easier method than calorie counting which gets old fast. Just switch over to smaller plates and utensils. If you put a small portion on a large plate and use a regular fork you are still hungry when you are finished. Instead put the same portion on a side plate and use a small fork to eat it. Now it looks like more food and you will be eating it more slowly giving your body more time to register that it is full. Over time your stomach with shrink. I have used this method to prevent weight gain for 15 years now and it works.
     
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    Attitude is everything.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nn9xzg/charles-eugster-fittest-oap-on-planet

     
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    Agree to some extent. There are many exceptions to good health habits but they are exceptions and not the norm. Unfortunately the average smoker who continues to smoke is living in a dream world if they think the odds of them living over a hundred years are on their side because the genetics of a few effectively allowed them to beat the odds. ;(
     
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    I think the elixir of life could possibly be a biological flush that breaks down the segmented electrolytes in the body .
     
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    To me losing weight was all about managing hunger and cravings with calorie counting mostly so I know how I'm doing. So I cared a lot about getting less hungry. The very best foods for managing hunger without a lot of calories for me were spinach or strawberries, those are carbs (albeit with water and fiber). But other than fruits and vegis, grains definitely made it harder. Maybe it's just me, but I can eats cups and cups of rice and still be hungry. But if I eat 2 eggs I'm good (both fat and protein).

    I think that helps for most people. I'm different in a few ways. My stomach definitely never "shrinks" (or becomes more rigid) though I had free days where I'd easily eat 6000 calories, and then have 14 diet days straight between free days where I'd eat 1500-1800 reliably. Never had trouble going back to the free day. So for somebody like me, I don't think it's smaller portions but rather larger portion of low calorie foods, like eating 2 lbs of strawberries is only 300 calories. I'll eat a hot dog, but with a huge amount of spinach and onions (like a whole bag of spinach worth with 1 hot dog). Sort of like the DASH diet but I'd rather eat no grains than whole grains.

    I also already have to keep track of carbs since I'm a type 1 diabetic. I think finding the right calorie counter mattered. I like the Simple Calorie Counter, which is completely customizable (I don't like apps that tell me how many calories are in things, I can figure it out better myself). It was a pain at first but now it knows all the foods I eat so I just press one or two letters and select what I ate. Takes like 1 minute per day but it'll be more when I have something new or have to weigh things.

    Now my stomach is flat, but not a six pack. But given that I'm not single, and a 6 pack isn't necessarily healthier, I am not as motivated to keep losing weight. Might try to gain muscle. But yeah definitely have some fear of gaining fat so finding the balance is hard.
     
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    There are lots of Protein sources in plants and vegetable sources or Cows and other vegetable consumers would die.
     

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