Feeding the gods: Hundreds of skulls reveal massive scale of human sacrifice in Aztec capital

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  1. Max Rockatansky

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    LOL. True. Otherwise known as "the spoils of war" and "riches of conquest". Taking stuff from others is a old cause of war.
     
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    The Germans took the murdering and "harvesting" of resources from their victims to a sick level. Even the Russians did not not "harvast" the gold from the teeth of the murder victims. Germans even took all jewelry including religious symbols. Interesting in that when forensic analysis was done on the remains of those at Kantin Forrest enough of the skelitins still had Christian crosses. The Russians previously claimed that Kantin Forrest massacre was done by Nazis to Jews. Jews did not wear Christian Crosses. This same scenario repeats itself at previously undiscovered grave sights in Ukraine which mostly if Uktainian Nationalists murdered by Russian NKVD executionists.
     
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    Very good but I think he was looking for a more political answer, but I could be wrong.
     
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    Spain was forged by centuries of war with the muslims. So, yes, having a rough history don't give people a wealking mind.
     
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    A cockroach could no longer walk because it didn’t have any marijuana to smoke.
     
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    And Druids burned groups of people alive in Wicker Men.
    And Christians burned tens of thousands of women alive for being witches in some of the panics.
    And let's not forget the thousands tortured in killed in the Spanish Inquisition.
    And Protestants tortured and Burned alive for being heretics by Catholics.
    Cities sacked and put to the sword during the Crusades.
    And the enslavement and wholesale slaughter of Aztec by the Spanish in the name of the Empire and the Church.
    And Slavery.

    But yes those Aztec were pretty cold blooded.
     
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    Forgot the 30 years War when Protestants and Catholics raped and massacred each other.
     
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    Shucks and the English Civil War where the Catholics and Protestants went after each other and there was a lot of that witch hunting going on.
     
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    There is a big diference between not having a " wealking" mind and outright barbarism, murder and mass destruction of human life.m
     
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    Today, we stand aside while women in so many parts of the world are regarded as worthless and exploited in every way. Any "superior" culture would be doing its most to combat this, in every way necessary.
     
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    Amen.
     
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    Mankind have this flaw to have a lot of difficulties to be balanced. Either they tend to be strong and crush the weaks either they are too weak. Balance don't exist in history, it's only excess. Balance don't exist and will probably never do.

    What happened back in this time was considered as horrible even by some euros, but most Conquistadors were mercenaries, not ordinary people.There is no nice wars, and it's always horrible.

    We don't have a lot of lessons to give to them either way with our "human right" wars.


    Don't worry, a lot of men and children are too regarded as worthless and exploited in every way.
     
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    To what purpose?
     
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    Yes, Stalin was a murderer too. As for German efficiency, they also repurposed Jewish headstones to pave streets. The ****ing Nazis were depraved, but no one should say they weren't efficient at killing and dehumanizing human beings.

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    I agree with your anti-Federalist reference. How long have you been anti-authoritarian, anti-Federalist?
     
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    The purpose is historical judgment. Understanding what, why and how someone does something makes a difference. The same difference when judging a man who accidentally kills someone driving drunk and a man who hunts down his ex and her mother then shoots them both in the head.
     
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    Meh.

    When Spain wiped out the Aztecs, political dissidents were still being publicly eviscerated in England. It was huge parties where folks would eat, drink and be merry while someone was being gruesomely tortured to death.

    Only difference is- Aztecs were sacrificing to 'Gods' and English were (essentially) sacrificing to the Gov't.

    And not just the English. They're just the most notable comparison. Most countries we would comparitively consider 'civilized' were killing people for some reason or other.

    The Aztecs werent anything special in this regard.
     
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    Nuclear weapons? Carpet bombing or just boots on the ground? How much American blood should Americans spill to "save those people"? I take it you supported the Iraq war. If not, then why?
     
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    OMG even I did not know about the stealing of the headstones and usage as paving stones. "Repurposing " is way way too civil of a description for that depraved act.

    My dad's words still ring in my ears - " all Germans had blood on their hands".
     
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    The purpose of propaganda is to persuade people with words.

    From Mein Kampf chapter 10:

    But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.

    All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

    It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
     
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    The phrase comes from the old Mexican folk song "La Cucaracha."

    Spanish
    La cucaracha, la cucaracha,
    ya no puede caminar

    porque no tiene, porque le falta
    marihuana que fumar.

    a murió la cucaracha
    ya la llevan a enterrar
    entre cuatro zopilotes
    y un ratón de sacristán.


    English
    The cockroach, the cockroach,
    can't walk anymore
    because it doesn't have, because it's lacking
    marijuana to smoke.

    The cockroach just died
    now they take her to be buried

    among four buzzards
    and a mouse as the sexton.


     
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    That's an outstanding point. Europe was hit so hard by the plagues that they lost population for three centuries. The European people that emerged from these three centuries of extreme testing were different from the european people that entered it. We have an assortment of very strong bio markers, and unfortunately seem to be the death sentence of every native population we interact with.

    We might be able to save them if we immediately vaccinated them, but that's a difficult greeting. "Hi, nice to meet you, may I stick you with this needle, its for your own good."
     
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    Surely this all must have happened after the evil White man arrived.........the indigenous people simply wanted to love one another and practice yoga........
     
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    The Conquistadors were barbaric as they invaded as well as killed and pillaged out of greed.
     
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