Chancellor Merkel compares USA under Trump with late USSR

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  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    The Middle East.
    Romania.
    Nigeria.
    Canada.
    Venezuela.
    Norway.
    UK.
    Libya.
    etc.

    German coal.
     
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    Good joke ... :rock_slayer::roflol::rock_slayer::roflol:

    Nothing of this meets him ... even only a little bit! But OK, believe in him if you want, your problem, not my!
     
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    Sure ... they have, but so what?
    We can (!!!) change things at any time and have the means and the technology and the possibilities ...

    But somehow I do not see much need for ... and again:
    Putin has not insulted usn, verbally attacked, threatened and imposed punitive tariffs, though he has good reasons to do so. And Trump?

    Who is more trustworthy?
     
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    There is no proof Russia interfered in US politics. We do know they set up Facebook and Twitter accounts to try to influence voters. Does Merkel believe Russia is not doing the same in Germany? If so Merkel is one naive PM.
     
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    Let's hope Germany is stockpiling plenty of NG from Russia in the event Germany has to turn to other countries for it's energy needs. It will take time to establish a new source.
     
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    Has Trump physically attacked an eastern European country? Putin has. So tell me, who is more trustworthy? The US or Russia?
     
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    Which one has he attacked?

    You mean Ukraine ... in special the Crimea occupation? I get a laugh ...! You know that Ptin clearly told many years ago that this will happen if the Ukraine becomes that what it is now and everyone here laugh about ... but does not laugh about anymore about?

    Have the US attacked a country without any reason and reasoned with lies only? Yes, the Iraq in 2003.
     
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    Russian mercenaries have been fighting on both sides of the Ukrainian conflict.
    They are involved. The amount of state support in this involvement is not clear.

    Crimea?
    Previously Russian in all but name.
    Now Russian in name too.
     
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    Maybe Iran? :knifefork:
     
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    If government made marijuana legal and cheap, there wouldn't be a black market. Of course, if marijuana is cheap, then alcohol will have to be cheap, too. In the end, government needs to find another way to get the taxes it needs to run the programs people want.
     
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    And do the US not the same in Germany as they do to interfer in other countries?

    Who had once again listened to many of our parliamentarians and tapped the C-Phone from Merkel ... oh yes ... the NSA!

    And which official assignment does the new US Ambassador in Germany have again?
    Oh yes ... seek and support EU hostile politicians and parties so that Trump can undermine the EU via Germany.
    Maybe we should give our ambassador in the US an equal order?
    Much should we give our intelligence also the job of listening, tapping and hacking in the US?
     
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    Did Stalin criticize East Germany while East Germany ignored those criticisms, or wasn't there quite a bit more involved. Absurd comparison
     
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    Oh what is our place?

    Germany is a leading country in the world. You say we are allied. Now you say you want damage us? Doesnt sound like allies for me.
     
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    About 20 minutes.

    Plus shipping time if it doesn't come by pipe.
    So that's a couple of days from Saudi for example or instantly the money is wired, from Norway.

    Russian supply has been interrupted a few times. Ukraine cuts it off,
    Germany was fine.
     
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    Germany leads in evry technology over russia. And our economy is magnitudes more powerful.

    We too have nukes. It only takes few hours to assemble. Its a walk around the treaty.

    Also we are russias only customer. If we stop paying, they go bancrupt. We have reserves to keep running 3 months and we have contracts with other suppliers of oil and gas.
     
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    Norway, Bahrain, UK, Cyprus, Italy, Libya, Iran.
     
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    No one cares about your interests, just your commitments.
     
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    It is like some people have never heard of nuclear weapons - or that we are the only one's that have them. They will rail against Gov't spending and then turn around and claim we need to spend more on military when the Total Military Spend is already over 1 Trillion/year.

    This spend - almost all on conventional capabilities - is touted as necessary for defense of the homeland despite the fact that our conventional forces are already massive and there is no conventional threat from any of the superpowers - because if we do go to war (attacking each others homeland) these conventional forces are quickly rendered useless due to nukes - after which there is nothing left to fight over.
     
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    Germany might need to consider nuclear power.
     
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    Do you understand the concept of leverage? If Russia has one of NATOs biggest players under their thumb for energy...that compromises NATO's position.
    Maybe because you're now tying your energy lifeline to the very Nation NATO exists to to protect against? If Russia isn't a concern anymore, and Nations wish to rethink the need for NATO at all, then maybe that's what should happen.

    We don't need NATO as much as others might depend on it...we've been keeping our Nations military storng enough to defend our interests. NATO is to help other Nations from being steamrolled.

    Perhaps you don't feel the need for NATO anymore, and that's fine. if you're more interested in saving this hypothetical 30% on energy, then you'll have to spend to bulk up your own Military anyway.

    Think you'll save or lose money? From the sorry state of the German Armed forces today...I think you'll dwarf that 30% savings in fuel by having to bring your Military up to the standards needed to fully defend yourself.
     
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    Macron may believe it is, but we know the majority of Nations have not been spending what they need to to make NATO what it needs to be. What Macron believes can only really be known when NATO has to do what it was formed to do. Then you'll find out if it really is or it is not able to do so.


    Right now we know the majority of Nations have not been meeting their commitments, and instead relying on the Nations who have to defend them if trouble breaks out. This is unacceptable. These Nations use their money for what they want, and we pick up the lions share of their NATO defense.

    Just unacceptable.
     
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    I didn't know Iraq was in Europe.
     
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    Germany is Russia's only customer? Are you sure?
     
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    Considering that Trump has ignored the Russian attack on our own democratic institutions why would Germany, or France, or England, think Trump would protect them from a Russian attack?
     
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    We obviously dont care about your interests as well. Germany openly opposing your interests is the main reason why you lose on all fronts right now. It was Germany that made the combined EU issue counter products on US products. Its also Germany that kept the Iran deal alive-

    We give a **** about your interests.

    Germany first
     

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