Chancellor Merkel compares USA under Trump with late USSR

Why? Its an outdated technology we shut down. We already have 40% of our energy from renewable energy and develop heavily into fusion.

 

If you worry so much about this, why dont you lower the price by 30%.

Beside that your moronic trump lied again. Germany does not get 70% of its energy from Russia. Its 23%.

 

Yes. All mayor pipelines from Russia go to Germany. Infact over 72% of their fossil fuels are exported to Germany.

 

It would be nice if the US would stop the war on drugs and stop assaulting its own citizenry.

 

US refusal to accept the Germany she grew up in played a major role in it being the Germany it is today. We too are happy that Germany has it's freedom and can make it's own decisions but we reserve the right to disagree with those decisions just as we did when "The Wall" divided their country.

 

Great. Hope you also accept our right to disagree.

 

Regardless of who sells energy to Germany - Germany is "under that nations thumb". Now ... given the events over the last week ... who's thumb would Germany rather be under 1) Russia 2) USA. At least with Russia you get a 30% discount.

 

UK buys Russian fuel.

 

Of course I do.

 

You do.
Others here wish death and destruction for my country because we act like free thinking people and not like vasalls.

Its a sad state what this "alliance" has become.

 

Never said 'slaves''. I said 'subordinates, and that's obvious enough. It's American leadership, money and troops which support NATO and if they were to leave NATO would crumble. If the Europeans genuinely want NATO then they should pay up. It's as simple as that. Europeans, and especially the Germans, have been freeloading on the American taxpayer long enough. They should also expect to pay past bills.

"Impudent"? To insist Europeans pay for what they had already promised but instead only offered limp excuses? Europeans always seem to make damn fool decisions on the big issues from wars, to alliances, to unsupportable social programs, to the EU, to immigration, to that pipeline with Russia and now refusing to pay what they solemnly promised with NATO.

It seems the Germans want the Americans out of Germany as much as the Americans want the Americans out of Germany so it seems a deal could possibly be arranged.

 

We also send you the bills we had becuse your war in Iraq.

 

The Americans have only helped the Germans in the past yet they find them 'untrustworthy'? Germans are the most propagandized nation in Europe and its been going on for decades. Soon Germany will be dependent on the Russians who, like the Muslims, they seem to find more trustworthy. We'll watch how all this works out.

 

Likely not. Germans don't pay their bills.

 

This is a great example of how easy it is to propagandize the German people.

 

Do you?

Think you'll spend more than that savings when you have to build up your own Military?

NATO doesn't need charity cases depending on the USA, Britain and the rest of the Payers to be their Military while they neglect to build one themselves.

 

Countries act in there own best interests, and that's the way it should be. Alliances act in their best interest, and that's the way i should be. When conflict between those two arise, it needs to be worked out. I'm afraid Trump is short on the latter skill.

 

the percentages you get from "the enemy" doesn't change a thing in regards to being beholden to them. And if it's only 23% of your energy, then why stick your thumb in NATOs eye over this 30% increase on your 23%.....



Seems the smaller fish all things considered.

 

There is no need for France and Britain to build up their military to defend against a threat that does not exist - the threat that "Russia is going to invade us".

US is the real charity case in the equation. NATO (sans the US) spends far more than the US on NATO and the US runs NATO and sets the agenda.

 

Sounds like we don't need NATO then. Let the rest of those Nations take care of themselves?

Guarantee if Trump said that though, you'd then have a problem with that.

 

Opinion
‘Evil Has Won’
Pro-American Germans feel betrayed.

By Michelle Goldberg

Opinion Columnist

• July 13, 2018

BERLIN — Klaus Scharioth, who served as Germany’s ambassador to the United States during both George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s administrations, was born in 1946, the year after Germany’s surrender in World War II. His earliest impressions of America were of a magnanimous, generous country.

“It was never forgotten that the United States included Germany in the Marshall Plan, which you would not have expected,” he told me, speaking of American aid to rebuild Europe after the war. He remembers getting packages of food from the Cooperative for American Remittances to Europe, or CARE: “The victor sends the one who is defeated, and who began the war, CARE packages! Imagine that. It doesn’t happen too often.”

In the world he grew up in, America was seen as the guarantor of the liberal democratic order, an order in which Germany, abandoning its aggressive history, would come to thrive. ................

“Germans have grown accustomed to the fact that the United States would always be their friends,” Scharioth said. “And it’s like when a very good friend leaves you. It hurts. I would say of all European countries, the Germans psychologically are the ones who are wounded most.”

I traveled to Würzburg, Germany, last week for a conference about the free press, where journalists from Russia, Turkey, Hungary and Poland, among other countries, spoke of the challenges of reporting in conditions of ever-increasing authoritarianism. Afterward I spent a few days in Berlin, speaking to politicians and foreign policy experts as Donald Trump threatened to blow up NATO. In both places there was a funereal sense — not universal, but pervasive — that the era of open societies might be ending.

“For me, the key thing is the Enlightenment,” Scharioth said. “I think that keeps the E.U. together, the values of the Enlightenment — a free press, religious freedom, minority protection, free elections, democracy, a free judiciary independent of all the other branches of government, tolerance, respect for others. I’m afraid the United States might no longer be speaking out for these values. And that makes me very anxious.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/...-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

 

For some of you at any rate.

 

You do not know me so quit trying to put words in my mouth because you have nothing better in response to the facts presented in my post.

I would have no problem if Trump said we do not need NATO. I have posted on numerous occasions that our 1 Trillion dollar/year total military spend is obscene relative to the threat to our homeland.

 

If we can't save small states, we're incentivizing them to develop WMD. Some, like Canada, have the means and knowledge to go with nukes, but others will likely turn to nanotechnology and biotechnology.

Good luck stopping a biotech weapon. This capability had existed for two decades...

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/23/world/australians-create-a-deadly-mouse-virus.html​

Would you bet against them being able to retaliate?

A small player could create a virus that might kill most of the people in the world.

 

Which facts are you speaking of, and why do you think I gave you less than they deserve?

Great, lets ditch NATO then. Times have changed. other Nations should be able to handle themselves if Putin gets a craving for more crimeas. Heh, not our continent, we'll be fine.