Chancellor Merkel compares USA under Trump with late USSR

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  1. LangleyMan

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    You don't "do" sarcasm?
     
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    They know they don't need us even if you don't understand why.

    You remind me of liberals who gain control of urban areas like Detroit when they're generating wealth, increase taxes and social programs, prevent by the high taxes the adjustment of the economy to new realities, refuse to cut spending on the cherished social programs as revenues decline, and drive the city into bankruptcy. Eventually, the liberals are replaced and renewal can begin. The social spending is cut, taxes are reduced, and business returns.

    You're like the Detroit liberals who refuse to see they're living in past. Here's why we don't matter as much as we did...

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    The times are a changing...
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    Not about economics.
     
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    You're seemingly unable to differentiate between propaganda and what actually happened.

    If you read THIS (since you like wiki), you'll see that Hitler didn't collectivize production.

    "The German economy, like those of many other western nations, suffered the effects of the Great Depression with unemployment soaring around the Wall Street Crash of 1929. When Adolf Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, he introduced policies aimed at improving the economy. The changes included privatization of state industries, autarky, and tariffs on imports. Wages increased by 10.9% in real terms during this period. However, reduced foreign trade meant rationing in consumer goods like poultry, fruit, and clothing for many Germans."

    and later

    "The Great Depression had spurred state ownership in most Western capitalist countries. This also took place in Germany in the years prior to the Nazi political takeover. But when the National Socialist German Workers' Party took power, industries were privatized en masse. Several banks, shipyards, railway lines, shipping lines, welfare organizations, and more were privatized."

    You're in way over your head on this one.
     
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    They're building the pipeline now.
     
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    I don't wear a tie.
     
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    The Germans have ways to get the natural gas they need if Russia cuts them off.
     
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    Exports which mostly go to other EU countries. USA comes at 3rd place and even then your tariffs do ****.

    The steel tariffs for example, raise our income. We deliver steel that you cant produce yourself, so your companies have to buy it anyways. We dont have a backlash in sales, but could raise the price while the american customers have to pay the higher price + the tariffs.

    So the effect on Germany right now is zero.

    Since trump fired at same time at China, China harasses american business now and cancelled Boeing orders, bans import of american cars ect and moves that business to Germany.

    I dont complain. I love this. I want it to escalate. I´m member of the Junge Alternative. The youth of the far right AfD. We want the absolute break with USA. Not just with NATO. We want end NATO, we fight against the transatlantic idiots.

    USA represents evrything we see as degenerated and disgusting. Degenerated multiculturalism. Degenerated pop culture.

    It was one of our politicians who blocked the construction of an american military hospital in my state. She said americans have no place in Thüringen and she would rather open a pig farm on this soil.

    We will have a great army. But it wont be member of NATO.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/

    I complain here about trumps pathetic verbal attacks against the pipeline project Nordstream 2.

    What we plan is more attacks against american corporations. Ban Microsoft from public contracts. Put exrta tariffs on Facebook, Google and Amazon.

    But you know what really amazes me? How naive your people are.

    WhenTrump started to push us for buying american fighter jets, our defense minister announced interest in the F35. It would be the biggest defense deal in history. Your officials were so dumb they didnt understand, that we build all weapons ourself. Germany is 3rd largest weapon producer in the world.

    We demanded classified data and your dumb officials did send it. When we had what we wanted we cancelled the deal and announced to build our own fighter jet.

    We also were able to develop a new passive radar which can detect the F3 There was a Berlin Airshow and your stupid Airforce brought 2 F35 here for show flights. We placed the new radar right next your exhibition area and your F35 did not perform a single flight, because fear to get embarassed infront world news.

    Russia and Iran show great interest in this radar system. We have not sold it yet. We dont want anger our "allies". :)
     
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    You dont know what a budget is right?

    https://www.thelocal.de/20180223/germany-recorded-record-budget-surplus-of-366-billion-last-year

    In 2017 Germany earned 36.6 billion € more than it spend.

    The debt of Germany is shrinking

    https://www.ft.com/content/e4ec4bce-f099-11e7-b220-857e26d1aca4

    Btw you have a massive budget underfunding. Your state spends more than it earns and has to make more and more debt.

    Your poverty makes me sick.
     
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    You're whistling past the graveyard. It will take time to negotiate trade deals and you'll suffer until you can get that done.

    Trump wants to make sure Brexit happens. He'll the drive a hard bargain once you're out of the EU.
     
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    Considering whats going on now its highly possible that brexit fails and wont happen.
     
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    Good to know they have a plan in case they're held hostage by the Russians. What is it?
     
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    Is this sarcasm?
     
  14. Polydectes

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    You don't really address anything I say you just offered platitudes.
     
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    Maybe I lack the wishful thinking.
     
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    It seems you're having a hissy fit so when you come down come back and talk.
     
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    No, im just enjoying whats going on. I
    Want the complete break
     
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    No it seems like you're taking this very personally.

    Get on your Chancellor if you want to clean break.
     
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    Her recent decissions are fine. Nordstream 2 gets build.
     
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    Well then you have nothing to worry about.
     
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    What im really interested in is, how do you plan to improve Relations to us according to your Point of View. You spoke about Killing us, damage us ect.
     
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    Libs who as a group revere homosexuals are trying to smear people they dont like as being sexual deviants?

    Thats a new low in hypocrisy for trump haters
     
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    We will see how that turns out for north korea and china

    Trump gave them their chance to save themselves
     
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    Sorry, but your comparison to Iran and North Corea is rather ridiculous, as the sanctions work only because European and all the other allies are joining it. You see North Corea works best as practically the rest of the world join them except China who at least threatens to join them if North Corea gets way out of line for them.

    Iran works much worse, but still has tremendous effects, but Iran has some more allies not joining the boycot.

    Sanctions on Russia still have an effect but work much worse as practically only the Western states are doing it and nobody else cares.

    If you think through this further, you will see that US sanctions against Germany would not work. Everyone else would see it's just for egoistic economicals reasons and join it, if at all you will get a backfire from other countries who are aware of the intention and fear to be next on the list. The US is only taking itself out here for a reasonable small share of the world market to stimulate the home-grown industry. To even think about that other countries which reactions will vary from neutral to angry will play your pawns in a chessgame and boycot Germany is ridiculous. You are placing Germany, China, Mexico, Brazil and many other exporting nations in the same boat here.

    By the way I consider all your discussions about actual wages and developments nonsense. The next 5-10 years will show if Trump's plan is a success or rather damaged the economy. If his actions lead to a booming and then on the long run competitive industry branches again which would foreseeable die out if the US politics does not react, then his plan was a huge success. If not and the customers are only paying hihgher prices in the US his actions were ****.What Wall Street and other markets are thinking about it, is psychology, nothing more, nothing less. What analysts here and experts there are writing about it is blabla to justify fees and consulting loans. How wages, unemployment and other economic data etc. develop right now is mostly independent from his tariffs.

    Its far too early to judge his measures right now and it even depends on on further linked additional action in industry politics if it will pay out one day or not. As a national economy is a complex architecture I give a **** about what economic prophets predict right now. The truth about it will will be uncovered in the next years, if not decades.





    There are more important issues than these tariffs. There is a political correct class in the West which threatens democracy. A neurotic class of rich white people (white women more often to be precisely) tries to abuse minorities for leading their war against their own people. Kind of Charles Manson stuff, only blown up by trololol and academic nonsense (artificially created areas of conflict). Time to stand up and spit in their faces. Putin and Orban in Europa or Duterte showed them their limits in pestering other countries with their neurosis. No public sodomy parade in Moscowor Budapest, sorry NGO, you leave! No, they dont want muslims there in the Czech Republic. Trump does a great job there facing the monster in one of the countries where it's living, like Kurz/Strache in Austria e.g.

    I cannot understand why Sobo defends Merkel. She is a piece of ****, nothing more nothing less. And one of the sources of the problems in Europe.
     
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    If you'd actually listen to what most folks are saying they are trying to save Germany from it's own demise. Germany seems to be trying very hard to not be like the Nazis. Maybe certain countries see this as a weakness and are taking advantage of it?
     

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