I don't post here much anymore because . . .

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  1. sonofthunder

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    I don't post here much anymore because I'm a moderate who believes in freedom of speech, and leftists accuse me of being alt-right. I'm also from the south so the accent offends them as well I guess
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    So you support freedom of speech, just not theirs.
     
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    You can support freedom of speech while not being forced to listen to differing opinions.
     
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    Honky Kong Well-Known Member

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    Freedom to listen is also a choice.
     
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    You also aren't allowed to call out people when they lie, which naturally slants the rules of this forum in favor of Democrats/liberals.
    This would delete virtually every post by someone on the anti-gun left.
     
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    Yes, because the Trump GOP is a great bastion of honesty and truth.
     
  7. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Could you give an example -- perhaps one synthesized from other posts you've seen, not necessarily a direct quote -- of what you mean here in the part I've emboldened?

    A literal reading of your sentence seems to be that some people explain various societal problems as due to the promotion of racism. That makes sense grammatically, but not in terms of meaning: some people promote racism, and this causes certain societal problems?
     
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    I see you do not disagree with my assessment. Thank you.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Slanted in favor of Trump supporters? You are complaining there are not enough personal attacks on the forum against Trump supporters? That's a joke, right?

    There does appear a higher percentage of Republicans to Democrats. I speculate there are 3 reasons:

    1. The first is the demographics of the forum being overwhelming white, Anglo-Saxon and male.

    2. The difference patterns the difference in voting turnout. It is well understood that Republicans turn out to actually vote in higher percentage that Democrats.

    3 The 3rd reason is this is an English language forum and a higher percentage of Democrats do not have high school degrees (if all races considered) and for a higher percentage of Democrats English is not their language or their first language.

    The ratio that I see most notable is it is the forum membership seems to be 95%+ white Anglo-Saxon men, representing maybe 20% of the American electorate. In terms of foreign members who have identified their country and race/ethnicity, it is 100% white participation from what I have observed.

    As the saying goes, the forum is so bright white I have to wear sunglasses when reading it. LOL
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This site is ok but it could be better.

    Major problem is that for a big part of the active people here, political orientation are treated the same as sport teams where every other "teams" but our "own" is considered crap. Peoples aren't even trying to reach a middle ground or even consider that the other side may make a good point, if they're not on "the team" they're losers. As a centrist (slightly left, slightly autocratic on the political spectrum graph) I'm a bit disapointed.

    It isn't about personnality, it's about policies. Let's stop judging politicians on their physical attributes or character defects (and this applies to all of them) and lets instead discuss the policies and present our own ideas of what should be implemented. This would be way more interesting than what pass for political commentaries in 99% of the threads this years. Don't insult or belittle someone with a different point of view than yours, try instead to argue your point and change their mind.

    A political forum shoud be a place of exchange of ideas, not a flamebaiting, troll fest party. Posting every second word in all caps (equivalent of shouting) or posting silly meme every couple of post to drown out the discussion should be acted upon. And personally I think the moderators could do a better job at enforcing the forum rules for offending member of ALL side of the political spectrum equally. Rules 2 to 7 are broken in almost every single threads without any apparent effects.
     
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    Strange, I run my life on all levels as though email barely exists. It is a work related thing by necessity, so it gets checked daily. My home email gets checked once a month if I think about it at all. I still post here regularly. I never allowed DF to email me in the first place. Why be dependent on it for communication?
     
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    Different strokes for different folks.
     
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    There are naturally less aberrations. That's what makes them...Aberrations. :D
     
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    I've always been one to give someone enough rope and be pleasant about it. No need to get upset when someone will eventually hang themselves. (cheeky grin)
     
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    Do you honestly believe that ever happens? And I notice that you don't allow that your opinion could be changed.

    I have found that my opinions can be influenced when I don't participate but just read the arguments. But not since trump came along. There is no changing my mind about the thug mob boss. I know what he is. He made that quite clear when he called for the mass murder of innocent people; when he sought to incite crowds to violence, when he called for torture, when he attacks every system of checks and balances that we have under the Constitution, when he attacks the press as the enemy of the people, when he appeals to hate and fear, when he promotes the likes of the super-crackpot Alex Jones, and congratulates people like the cold-blooded killer Duterte for the "great job he's doing". No amount of rationalization can change what I know for fact. The man is a two-bit thug. He has the heart of a killer. And he is the most dangerous person we have ever seen occupy the White House.
     
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    I don't know how you can reach that conclusion after what I just posted.

    My opinion an change, and often does, when somebody put forth a rationnal argument and facts that invalidate my previously held opinion. That I don't change my opinion based on a point that you personnaly make doesn't implies that I won't change my opinion for anyone else.

    Don't just present me a bare bone argument. Present me something with a bit of meat at the least. I'll analyse it, consider the sources and than make a rational judgment about my own position. On the other hand, present me factless or dubious sourced arguments and I'll discard them immediatelly as invalid. Do it enough time and it's the ignore list membership for you.
     
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    This is one of the few forums I can express my views amongst hundreds of people and not get banned, that by my book makes this forum great. I've been permanently banned from probably a few dozen forums over the years for wrong- think.
     
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    A forum, or a society, that suppresses a particular viewpoint because the people in power don't like it, impoverishes itself.

    We become strong in struggle.

    What's the point of reading only views that agree with your own? You get better when someone challenges your argument with an apparently stronger argument, and forces you to do some research to defend it ... or provokes someone else with your views, but who is better informed, to reply.

    Let a Thousand Flowers Bloom, let a Hundred Points of View Contend!
     
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    It's usually a bad idea in a debate to call someone 'stupid'. Rather, you should prove it, with a better argument.

    I think you didn't say what you meant when you said you wanted to ban "the promotion of racism as an explanation for various societal problems". That, logically, means there are societal problems which are due to someone promoting racism -- for example, saying the high Black crime rate is due to the fact that there are racists who say Blacks are genetically disposed to commit crime. -- the Black criminals have their feelings hurt by this concept, promoted by racists, and respond by killing people.

    Or, less likely, did you mean we should ban explanations along the lines of, the high Black crime rate is because of white racism? From other things you said, this doesn't seem likely.

    I think you meant to say, we should ban the promotion of racial explanations as an explanation for societal problems. That is, explanations that point to some non-environmental, biological, reason for these problems.

    Is that correct?
     
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    As it is clear now that discussion involving what is happening with Trump or critique of him is unappreciated, I believe I must also lessen my time and contributions here to avoid being asked to leave permanently....bummer, this place was fun.
     
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    If I just post links without commenting will that be acceptable or do I need to say a generic something, like "For Your Enjoyment"?

    Example:
    For your enjoyment.
    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl
     
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    c'mon don't twist it, whatever occurred wasn't due to anything spoken for or against trump, more likely it was for attacking another member for his acceptance of trump...

    anywho, i've enjoyed your posts immensely, even though i mostly disagree with your politics...
     
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    Had that been the case I would never have posted this, I also do not "Attack" anyone as a general rule.
     
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    semantics plays a big role in the determination of the difference between "disagreement" and "attack"

    I feel Donald Trump poses a threat to the national security of the United States...
    cut taxes.. raise spending..on military we don't need now.. and all the rest of the hocus pocus

    Is that an attack?? Some Trump supporters I am sure would like to sue me for neural assault..

    It is what it is.. Trump is taking it to the max.. that is what they wanted

     
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