Biblical Creation vs Evolution- the age of the Earth

Alright, thank you. That was a great response, usfan.

 

You have no way of 'knowing' this is true for ALL people. You just believe this.

I do not see them as mutually exclusive, nor have Christian scientists for millennia. Open mindedness is a better tool for discovery than convinced dogmatism.

 

Also, what were your supernatuaral experiences? I've always had an interest in this subject.

 

Of course I do. Not one person who has ever lived knows or knew for a fact whether or not magical gods created the universe.

 

..quite a statement of omniscience.. how could you 'know' such a thing? I get that you believe this strongly, but i dispute that you can know this as a fact. It is an irrational statement that presupposes personal omniscience.

 

Wrong question.

How could they know such a thing?

 

String theory suggests that the universe, in one school of thought, or a multiverse in another, has always existed. No creator needed. The idea that the universe sprung into existence from nothing is long out of date.

That would make us proto-gods, right?

 

4 Completely Different Versions of the Story of Moses ...


Detail; Moses and the tablets of law. Source: Public Domain . Manetho: Moses, Leper King and War Criminal . The Egyptians told the story of Moses, too, but in their version, he wasn’t a miracle-working hero with god-given powers.


https://www.ancient-origins.net/his...e-criminal-philosopher-hero-or-atheist-008008

excerpt:

The story of Moses doesn’t just show up in the Bible. In the ancient world, nearly every culture had their own version of what happened. The Egyptians, the Greeks, and the Romans all had their own way of explaining why thousands of people left Egypt to live in Jerusalem.

The Moses you know, who performed miracles and freed the Jewish slaves from Egypt, is just one version of the story. There are others – and they paint a completely different picture from the one you’ve heard.

 

Once again we note the glaring absence of scientific substance matter knowledge of fundamentalist theist zealots.

The earth's magnetic field is based upon the dynamo effect of the rotating iron core at the center of the earth. While there is still a great deal to be learned about how this functions there is no credible data to support that it is "decaying" with a "magnetic half life" of any measurable sort. All of the creationist claptrap in this regard has been exposed by genuine scientists.

http://apps.usd.edu/esci/creation/age/content/creationist_clocks/magnetic_field.html

 

After watching a documentary on ancient Egypt I was struck by the pronunciation of the name Ramesses. It came across as "Ra Mo Zes" which translates into King Moses in our modern vernacular since Ra was the name of their sun god.

Having an exiled Egyptian king leading his defeated people away would be par for the course in those days. That they ended up fighting for their own new territory, AKA the "promised land", would be how things were done back then. Needless to say all kinds of deities would have been invoked. Curious that those ancient stories about the bulls worshiped in Egypt line up with the "golden calf" false idol in the bible.

 

Fascinating, isn't it?

The version about the lepers is also interesting.

 

It's not that unreasonable for Pilate to make an exception or for that morning, he woke up at around that time. On off days, I tend to sleep til around 11:00, but sometimes I get up around 7:00. Also 6 AM isn't really that early. Seriously, there are far more incredible claims in the Bible for this case to be considered failing the Laugh Out Loud test for reasonability. I'm just here to address the original acclaimed contradiction about the creation story in Genesis 1 and 2.

 

Sorry. I thought you were referring to the three months deal. Which would be the reason why I stated that the complaint seemed rather minuscule. As this article explains, he was 8 when his father made him king and he and his father co-reigned for ten years until his father died and he reigned alone when he was 18.

http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/eight-years-old-or-eighteen-years-old-in-2-chronicles-369

 

The reason there were two creation stories is because one was from Judah and the other from Israel.

How do you know what time Pilate got up in the morning?

 

That has yet to be seen. Just because you post or link to something, doesn't mean it's automatically correct.

 

I didn't address it because I thought you was mentioning it in passing. If you want me to address it then fine, I'll address it. It's the Red Sea.

I'm not here to address whether the Bible is infallible or inspired. I'm here originally to address the claim that there's a contradiction in Genesis 1 and 2. That spun off into addressing other acclaimed contradictions in the Bible.

 

Because God uses the style of the writers.

 

But there isn't two stories. There's just one story.

I don't. However I wasn't the one with the hard claim that Pilate was a late sleeper. I don't question whether he was or if he didn't take kindly to being awaken. I offered that he may have naturally woken up that morning or made an exception (after all, upsetting or killing the high priests in his region doesn't bold well in keeping the peace).

 

It is important to note the distinction between the peoples of these two nations: Israel and Judah. While all Jews were Israelites because they were descendants of Jacob (Israel), not all Israelites were Jews. Some Israelites came from tribes other than Judah and Benjamin.

Reflecting this distinction, the first time the word Jew appears in the King James Version of the Bible, the nations of Israel and Syria are at war with the “Jews” (2 Kings 16:5-6).

https://lifehopeandtruth.com/prophecy/12-tribes-of-israel/israel-and-judah/

 

There are two stories both adapted from Babylonian mythology.. The two versions were cobbled together during a period when Omri was trying to reunite Israel and Judah.

 

Well, there are a lot of theories, that suggest a lot of different hypotheses for origins. Yours seems to be a variation of, 'nuthindidit', rather than a 'goddidit' one. But it is still a belief, whether it is the majority opinion, a discredited speculation, or the latest Thing. The origins of life, matter, and everything remain a cosmic mystery, in spite of the convictions or assertions of some imaginative philosopher.

 

We are talking about Pilate being woken up at 3 am in order to have handed him over at 6 am. That FAILS the laugh out loud test because who is going to wake up a governor at 3 am for no better reason than to deal with a prisoner of a subjegated population.

 

Of course, the universe and its contents are not "nothing", and the dichotomy of "god or nothing" is false. You are trying so very hard to force the discussion and the posters into just accepting this as a 'first premise', when, really, you have a lot of argumentative and evidential work to do in order even to give this idea any credibility. You assume and insist others assume something that itself needs a lot of proof.

 

So a 25 year old appoints his 8 year old son as "co-regent"?

Seriously?

Isn't that setting himself up to be deposed by his own son SOONER rather than later?

Sounds more like something made up to cover the discrepancy in the contradiction than anything with actual substantiation. There is no actual bible verse stating that he appointed his son as co-regent that I am aware of.

 

It means that there are thousands of contradictions in what is SUPPOSED to be the "infallible word of god".

Explain why your god was totally incapable of making himself understand in clear and concise terms to ordinary people?