How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Oh, the old Nazi crap.....how DISGUSTING and DESPICABLE when someone compares the quick painless death of a fetus with the unbelievable suffering of the Jews and others under the Nazis.


    ...and the ignorance of not being able to distinguish between BORN and UNBORN is mind blowing.
     
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    Jackson or Derek?
    So?
    More to the point, wherever there's hearing there's a hearer; and in this case the hearer can't be anything but a human being.
    8)
     
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    Take it from me the research papers were very specific. When an EEG is flat there is no hope

    And I really do wonder about these weird stories about people being declare d brain dead when they weren't. The other explanation is that people hear only part of a message and the
    but still clinically brain dead

    https://www.health24.com/Mental-Health/Brain/News/Brain-death-when-is-it-over-20120721
     
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    I think people are confusing reflex response with cognition

    A bacteria will respond by avoiding noxious stimuli it does not mean they are conscious
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You should really see this thread: racism, classism, sexism, and now... 'Bornism'

     
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    Those are all legislative statutory questions.

    Question is whether such statutory issues are within the purview of the Feds or the States.

    Roe violates States' Rights.
     
  7. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    ...and the ignorance of not being able to distinguish between BORN and UNBORN is mind blowing.




    ""Discrimination based on whether or not someone has passed out through the birth canal—what could be sillier than that?? ""

    Nothing , except maybe trying to associate panda bears with abortion .
     
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    And banning abortion violates women's rights...

    ;) Ya, I know, another fact for you to ignore because it is so inconvenient...:)
     
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    That would make you a bornist!
     
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    Use tech to remove human reproduction to an industrial process then no one would ever need abortions you could use genetic engineering to remove eggs and sperm and could sterilize everyone at the creation process. Problems would then be solved.
     
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    Not necessarily. You could still have the woman wanting to terminate because she changed her mind about wanting a baby and doesn't want to be held liable for child support.

    Then you'd also politicize the issue of whether the taxpayers are going to pay for those gestation tanks, and I bet it would end up having a racist outcome if you decided to have the prospective adoptive parents pay the bill.
     
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    The book a Brave New World simply removed parents the government would decide how many babies to make, pop them, educated them and then put them into the adult world with no parents there would be no regrets then and the only issue is producing enough units to meet societal goals and educating them into being a responsible person. Some might be bred to live in the ocean, in space, do particular types of work or other obligations with no more concern than a factory making a unit for its quota. So do that.

    Those who didn't fit in had the Free Free Colonies and Reservations for 'Savages".
     
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    All the more controversial... How should the government decide which parents to select for the genetic material, and how many babies to produce from each strain?
    How many African American babies should there be?

    Suppose the genes correlating to homosexuality are discovered. Should the baby planners eliminate them, or try to maintain the natural balance?

    As you can see, a lot of controversial questions would be raised... perhaps more than it would solve.

    Then you still have the issue of abnormalities that are not detected until late into the gestation. Since it's not a woman's choice, who's choice is it? It becomes another highly politicized question.

    If a fetus is discovered at 20 weeks to have early indications that it is likely to develop some only mildly debilitating condition, should it be terminated?
    very mild cerebral palsy, autism, ADHD, XXY chromosome disorder - bet the transgender rights movement would have a row over that one
     
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    How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

    Easy....mind your own business.
     
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    Actually, considering that ALL pregnancies come with a possible outcome of death for the mother due to complication, you might very well be condemning that woman to be pregnant for the rest of her life.

    The day that god creates all uterus perfect, all fertilized eggs perfect, every fertilized egg implantable, no miscarriages or
    complications - then I will consider it a moral question.
     
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    So abortion should be allowed because every normal pregnancy carries a tiny statistical probability of death?
    You can't be serious.

    I see that as one of the minor supporting arguments, but to try to make that your main argument...
    if I forced a woman to undergo an abortion, would I be saving her from death? :wink:

    Now you do realize that the probability of death from a pregnancy is lower than the probability that a woman will die from a car accident?
     
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    And that doesn't make any sense either.
    What you are trying to imply here would mean that as long as there are people dying from medical conditions or natural causes, murder is okay.

    It's the fallacy "If God does it, it's okay for me to do it".
     
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    Something I wish the woman would do towards her fetus...

    If it's so important to "mind your own business" then why are you so concerned about women's rights in relation to their unwanted pregnancies?
    Why don't you practice what you preach?
     
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    ...Uh...unless you have some strange mental block in place, you understand that the Fetus IS HER OWN BUSINESS!

    You might even notice that you yourself called it HER fetus.
     
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    Mm-hmm
    And it's the father's business too.

    So I would surmise that if the father tries to stop his fetus from being aborted, it's not our business to try to stop him...

    unless you DO believe it's our business what happens...
     
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    To an extent perhaps but, that has nothing to do with this discussion so you are simply dodging to avoid admitting defeat in debate and the validity of my position.

    Rather pathetic attempt at that.
     
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    I'm just pointing out that your argument would lead to other problems, if we were to consistently apply its logic.
     
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    So an unborn child must get a SS#
     
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    That's what Anti-Choicers want, government control of reproduction.






    Why are you singling out African Americans, that sounds racist.

    Why should they be eliminated?





    YUP, once you give government control of some, they have control of all...

    Funny how most Anti-Choicers want to keep government out of our lives, unless it's used to control reproduction.
     
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