Fallacies of Evolution Redux

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  1. tecoyah

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    As a proof that evolution is a religious belief, no scientist would not be just calling any question to his science silly and refusing to answer it.

    However you turn your replies will be typical replies of a religious fanatic.

    Do it again.

    As a proof that evolution is a religious belief, no scientist would not be just calling any objection or question to his science silly and refusing to answer or address it.

    However you turn your replies will be typical replies of a religious fanatic.

    Do it again.
     
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    The National Academy of Sciences would like a word with you.
     
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    Your routine.

    You too, man.
     
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    I am here.
     
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    That's not an appropriate question. MDs don't just diagnose, they prgnose and treat. And in all of these things, they rely on data from several fields of science, inclusing biology. Evolution os the foundation of biology, which is the foundation of medicine. Certain ethinicities have different physical tendencies, which helps in all 3 areas. When viruses are identified and vaccines are formulated, their formulation relies heavily on evolution.When bacteria are identified and tested against antibiotics, this relies heavily on evolutionary theory. Evolutionary theory and genetic theory are inseparable and inform each other.
     
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    That is not proof evolution is a religious beliefs. What an absurd bit of unlogic that is. And you just said yourself that a scientist would answer your questions, affirming the expertise and the fact that the assertion is evidence based, as scientific possess and produce the evidence. All around absird post by you.

    And you need to come to understand that trusting based on evidence I not only not faith, it is the opposite of faith. You trust your new car will start, based on the evidence. That is not "faith" that your car will start.
     
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    If you could take your time and remove typos, please. Don't understand a thing.
     
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    Our Member Spooky is going to be a teacher and a mother.

    What if her daughter or a 4th grader asks her, - “Ms. Spooky, mom, what deceases were diagnosed, diagnosed, prgnosed and treated due to knowledge of evolution and couldn’t be treated by MDs who do not believe in evolution and are creationists?”.

    There is the WHO list of deceases, and there is a full history of discovering and treating them.

    Can you show me one, just one, which uses evolution in any way and couldn’t not be treated by an MD who is a creationist?

    Will you advise Spooky not bring her 4th grader to brain surgeon who has performed 20,000 successful brain surgeries, has received more than 60 honorary doctorate degrees, dozens of national merit citations, and written over 100 neurosurgical publications and openly disdains evolution?

    I ask very simple questions.

    What Spooky should tell to the 4th grader?



    Ernst Chain who shared Nobel prize for discovery antibiotics as we know them with Fleming (Roman Catholic, Creationist) openly opposed Darwinism on the basis of his scientific research "very feeble attempt" to explain the origin of species based on assumptions so flimsy, "mainly of morphological and anatomical nature," that "it can hardly be called a theory’’.

    Laws of genetics were discovered by a Christian monk who was not even interested in reading Darwin.

    Genetics was banned in the USSR as Capitalist Science because it was opposing evolution.

    You have to name one antibiotic and show how evolution ever was used in testing it.

    Yelling “Evolution IS science” at a 4th grader will make you just a mean bi^ch, very bad parent and teacher.

    I ask very simple questions.

    Name one, just one.
     
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    You're using the logic of Spooky's 4th grade class.

    Until that gets fixed, understanding what's going on is going to be tough for you.
     
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    Believers in evolution disdain children and cannot answer a question of a 4th grader.

    This attitude toward children is anti-social.
     
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    Oh, man!

    Are you saying you're a 4th grader?

    Please let me know.
     
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    I am saying that science makes predictions and demonstrates how the predictions come true on demand in real life.

    I predicted that not believer in evolution can ever understand less answer simplest questions on a level of the 4th grade.

    And predicted the anti-social behavior.

    Thank for letting my predictions come true and for another demonstration.

    Shall I repeat the simplest questions?
     
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    Your question is ridiculous/a non sequitur to try and discredit Evo, but nonetheless physicians can know what disease to look for based on Evolution.

    Two people of Differently EVOLVED Races may show similar symptoms, but because of those (evolved) races one can better Diagnose them.

    Euros are unlikely to have Sickle Cell anemia. But a Black Patient with anemia would rightly be suspected of that rather than other variants of anemia.
    Jews are far more likely to have Tay Sachs.
    etc, etc.

    I suggest, MANY categories under
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health
    Too many to mention.

    If you are talking Inter-Special evolution, we try and test EVOLUTIONARILY similar/close Relatives to us to research them.
    Monkeys, etc.
    Apes species (Chimps, monkeys, etc) like, and before, humans have A/B/O blood types we both EVOLVED from Earlier Ape ancestors.
    That's why we test many medicines on them.
    How about that?

    No species stands alone biologically.
    We are all related and have Anatomical progression and even remnants of our evolutionary ancestors.
    Our [Useless] Wisdom Teeth, Appendix, Coccyx (TAIL) are all Evolutionary Remnants of predecessors.
    Evidence we are NOT 'immaculate' creations, but just part of the continuing trial-and-error/mutation chain of Evolution.

    If humans were UNrelated and completely different from Apes, THEN creationism would make sense.

    Humans (if immaculate/unevolved) could have no traces, and completely different biology if "Goddidit".
    We could even be 'solid state' and not so messy or prone to any disease.
    THAT would prove god and Disprove Evolution
    But that is NOT the case, and is NEVER going to happen

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    My friend,

    I will give an example how to spot pseudoscience or pseudo-scientific theory even if you don't know anything about the subject, and even if you are a 4th grader.

    You put it in Word or Pdf and use functions Find Search search for words: may, implies, could, evidence, implicates, indicates, may be, appear, conclude, suggest.

    If you find one of these words it is a red flag.

    Two - into the garbage.

    Everything around you has made on the base of theories of natural sciences, neither your space ship, nor your power plant, nor your airplane are made on the base of articles using these words.

    You do not want your doctor use these words in your treatment and diagnosis, do you?

    Try yourself:

    Evolutionary factors[edit]
    See also: Heterozygote advantage
    Genes may be under strong selection in response to local diseases. For example, people who are duffy negative tend to have higher resistance to malaria. Most Africans are duffy negative and most non-Africans are duffy positive.[44] A number of genetic diseases more prevalent in malaria-afflicted areas may provide some genetic resistance to malaria including sickle cell disease, thalassaemias, glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase, and possibly others.

    Many theories about the origin of the cystic fibrosis have suggested that it provides a heterozygote advantage by giving resistance to diseases earlier common in Europe.

    In earlier research, a common theory was the "common disease-common variant" model. It argues that for common illnesses, the genetic contribution comes from the additive or multiplicative effects of gene variants that each one is common in the population. Each such gene variant is argued to cause only a small risk of disease and no single variant is enough to cause the disease. An individual must have many of these common gene variants in order for the risk of disease to be substantial.[45]

    More recent research indicates that the "common disease-rare variant" may be a better explanation for many common diseases. In this model, rare but higher-risk gene variants cause common diseases.[46] This model may be relevant for diseases that reduces fertility.[47] In contrast, for common genes associated with common disease to persist they must either have little effect during the reproductive period of life (like Alzheimer's disease) or provide some advantage in the original environment (like genes causing autoimmune diseases also providing resistance against infections). In either case varying frequencies of genes variants in different populations may be an explanation for health disparities.[45] Genetic variants associated with Alzheimer's disease, deep venous thrombosis, Crohn disease, and type 2 diabetes appear to adhere to "common disease-common variant" model.[48]

    See?
     
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    You did NOT answer a single thing I said, while I answered/GUTTED
    your main (disease) point while showing true overall knowledge of the topic.
    Evolution DOES help Diagnose.

    GAMEOVER
    YOU LOST.
    Bye
     
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    Of course, you understood every word, but you could not muster a good response. Kind of like when you face the fact of evolution.
     
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    I quoted your article.
    But thank you for another demonstration of religious fanaticism of believers in evolution.
    I am not to win, but demonstrate that no believer in evolution can understand, less answer simplest questions.
    Next.

    Any believer in evolution who thinks he is capable to understand or even answer 4th grade level questions?
     
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    I already mentioned several, literally in the post you quoted. Well, at least people who understand that pathogens cause disease noticed. I am not going to repeat myself, just because you have decided to play stupid.

    And your question about creationist doctors is your dumbest display yet. A doctor either practices science based medicine, or he does not. It doesn't matter if he thinks a zombie god watches his sexual activity...the science he relies on does not care. He either uses it, or he does not. And if he does not, he is no doctor.

    Your arguments are exceedingly weak.
     
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    I didn't, but thank for another demonstration that no believer in evolution is capable of an intelligent conversation.

    You could rephrase if you see no typo in your text:

    That is not proof evolution is a religious beliefs. What an absurd bit of unlogic that is. And you just said yourself that a scientist would answer your questions, affirming the expertise and the fact that the assertion is evidence based, as scientific possess and produce the evidence. All around absird post by you.

    And you need to come to understand that trusting based on evidence I not only not faith, it is the opposite of faith. You trust your new car will start, based on the evidence. That is not "faith" that your car will start
     
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    Of course, you understood. You are embarrassing yourself. Typos are not indicative of low intelligence...but your fallacies and proud ignorance of basic knowledge possessed by 9 year olds might be...
     
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    There is the WHO list of deceases, and there is a full history of discovering and treating them.

    Can you show me one, just one, which uses evolution in any way and couldn’t not be treated by an MD who is a creationist?

    Will you advise Spooky not bring her 4th grader to brain surgeon who has performed 20,000 successful brain surgeries, has received more than 60 honorary doctorate degrees, dozens of national merit citations, and written over 100 neurosurgical publications and openly disdains evolution?

    Reality is in total contraditcion to your slogans.
     
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    I did not say that Typos are not indicative of low intelligence.
    I said that unwillingness to explain or rephrase if somebody tells you that he did not understand and asks you to do is a sign of low intelligence and nasty personality.
     
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    Absolutely. An MD cannot treat with appropriate vaccines and antibiotics, without the benefit of evolutionary theory that was used to invent them. Measles, polio, strep infections, and more. I already covered that. You are embarrassing yourself. You beg strangers to spoonfeed you information...they do, despite the fact that you do not deserve this courtesy...then you ignore their efforts...

    By the way, evolution is a fact. You would fail a 6th grade science test.
     
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    Not always, and especially not when the person asking is playing stupid just to troll.
     
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