Minimum Wage

Prices for food would not go up as much as liberals want us to believe

Farm labor is only a small percentage of the cost of food

Using slave labor from mexico is cheaoer than paying Americans

And to be fair the illegals probably work harder than obama voters who have been on welfare most of their lives

But hunger is a Great motivator

 

I agree, when min wage goes up, prices do not increase as much as the right wants us to believe

And to be fair the illegals probably work harder than Trump voters who have been on welfare most of their lives and just look for others to blame for all their problems

 

Welfare makes everyone getting the free money lazy

Including white welfare bums on meth

But not everyone on welfare is stupid

They know the democrats offer the best chance of staying on the dole whether they are black or white and vote accordingly

 

Minimum wage is not equal protection of the law. It's a grant of privilege to those who are capable of being productive, and it's an outlawing of jobs for those who would work for less. You are morally outraged by a low wage, thus you deem it righteous to violently prevent people from choosing to work less than that morally appropriate. To call it "equal protection" is a perversion of that term.

 

What are you referring to? If you mean wages increase and prices don't increase by the same %, agree. It's not liberals saying that is the case, that is tRUMPers and those against min wages.

You know, seeds cost very little.
Labor is a big factor, else there'd be no need for migrant cheap labor.

 

The vast majority of people don't want to be on welfare. You know, while on welfare you can't own hardly anything.
If one wants a house or nice car, they don't want to be on welfare.

 

Bad idea, and always has been.

There would be a very brief period in which the pay was ahead of the cost of living, then the cost of living would adjust (prices would rise) and we would be right back where we started. Actually we would be in worse shape, but no need complicating it.

 

Reality is that employees have a very advantageous position, but most neither understand or appreciate it. You can't continuously act adversarily and expect the other party to act as a generous partner, but most employees to just that- and then whine about how they aren't appreciated.

You are free to sell your services for any price you wish, to anyone, anywhere in the world, and free to change your terms or arrangements anytime you wish for any reason.
All you have to do is find someone that thinks your services are worth as much as you think they are- find a customer willing to agree to your price and terms.
That is exactly what your employer must do to survive, and your employer has no unemployment insurance or benefits guaranteed them by law- they either make it on their own or go belly up. And remember- you get paid as an employee when the company and often the owner is not. I've been there.

The problem here is that you think that the bar should be lower for the employee who has benefits, guarantees and protection without the exposure to liability than for those who are strictly on their own. The answer is simple. You see how unfair it is to be the employee instead of the employer, so fix it. Hock everything you own today, and take advantage of all the benefits you think accrue to those in business, like being your own boss and having employees making you rich. Opportunity is everywhere, I assure you. The grass is always greener on the other side, you know.

And of course, be aware that 20% of people who do this fail in the first year, 50% in the first 5 years; 80-90% will fail within 10. But then, they were probably stupid, this would be no hill for a stepper like you of course. With your grasp of how it all works, it's damn near a sure thing!

 

None of my employees earn less than double the national minimum wage, and that is for an intern. I have to pay them that, because that gets me the candidates I am looking for in the labor market.

I would never pay somebody minimum wage, even if that is all they were worth, because I would never hire them. The labor market works. The agreement for employment is between two parties. If people are worth LESS than minimum wage, that should tell you something about their personal marketability.

Rather than focus on that, let's focus on making she these oxygen bandits make a "living wage". Screw that.

 

I do believe HS teachers need to have a degree in what they are teaching.

And, let's not forget that pedagogy is a serious topic - regardless of what some school cranks out or who it is that the local school system can afford to hire.

 

then why complaining that some of your employee's should not be paid a min wage as they are only "breathing"

you said, "So basically yes. You expect people to earn $15 for breathing."

 

Dont you agree that able bodied Americans on welfare should be doing the farm work 8nstead of illegal aliens from mexico?

 

The number who want off of welfare is arguable although some undoubtedly do

At some level maybe they all do

But most have become used to depending on the government to take care of them and are afraid to leap into the unknown

 

More personal opinion. And your opinion reduces a vast category of Americans to lazy whiners lacking any ambition in the face of a horrible economy and loss of opportunity. You and vman12 are on the same page to a significant extent.

Right, the pricing of labor is entirely honest and objective. Riiiiiiiiiiight. You do know that your arguments here so far are BS propaganda, right?

Yup, the worker has all the power and control. He calls the shots. Capitalist manage to miraculously make huge profits in spite of having inferior control. And the majority of laws favor workers. Poor rich capitalists. It's a crime.

No, actually. I think capitalism is becoming predatorial and big-corporate capitalists see the Big Crash coming and are scrambling to grab all they can as fast as they can. And why do I think this? I think this because I was told that by a man who got his Bachelors in economics from Harvard, his Masters from Princeton, and his PhD in economics from Yale, and who meets monthly with his Big Industry classmates who tell him that is what they are doing. I also think the real median wage has been a very poor performer for 30 years, but of course that is the fault of the worker who hasn't asked for more income. They let the top 1-to-5 percent grab it all. Shame on them. But they just did it so they could complain.

The game is crashing with the new entrepreneur at an increasing disadvantage with the failure rate increasing, and you offer such platitudes. LOL!!! Capitalists always promote empty but great-sounding proposals that are lying there ready-made for them by their ideologues. History, facts, and statistics are too risky to quote and discuss.

Well finally. And aren't you special for being smart enough to be able to beat the odds!

 

Are those able bodied Americans any where near the farm?
Should able bodied Americans go work for the same labor rate as the migrant workers. Remember, most of them were migrants, not illegals. They were brought here for that specific labor.
Back in the day, there were few able bodied Americans looking for work. The economy wasn't always in the greatest recession and a long period of recovery.

 

Then ,I'm disabled and deemed unemployable by the SSA after a pile of evaluations by the various government agencies and a few tech colleges, so the government offers me my benefits for some work required and they assign it and I can do it then I'll gladly work. Please even 8 hours a week would be welcomed as something other than sitting at home not being productive. I support moderate Republicans and thing the Democrats are poor at managing the affairs of commerce and capitalism but the GOP has not been much better. But I'm not a fool a strong economy and people working support me and I'm grateful for the help given you ease my suffering, you feed me, give me a small sum of money and other benefits local to national and just point out that I get it taxpayers are helping me. And for that the economy needs to work well.

 

Hogwash.

 

Those are all good questions

Americans in Los Angles are closer to the farms than illegal aliens in central Amerivpca are

If the illegals can get there so can Americans if they are willing to try

Iwages for Amercan workers will rise if:


We push able bodied Americans off welfare so that they need a job

And we deport illegal aliens so that farmers will need workers

 

Illegals won't be deported, at least the majority of them. 11M? of them. Nope at least 10M will always be here until they die. So that really isn't an option.

Wages for American workers should be rising as we speak. There are now more jobs than workers. People are quitting jobs at the highest rate in over a decade because they can find better paying jobs.
I doubt, with the current economy, if it doesn't tank, you'll find any Americans going to pick produce from the fields.

 

"Odds" implies chance, like a lottery drawing. It doesn't work that way at all. It's more like competitive sports. If you run the fastest, you can win the biggest prize. If you walk down the course, you get minimum wage or no prize. What you don't do is whine how you would have won if only that other guy hadn't tried harder, and how unfair that is. At least, if you have any dignity and self respect, you don't do that. It's also a race where those that win would like for everybody to win, because that doesn't make them losers. Unfortunately, encouraging the plodders to actually run is generally ignored. They think the finish line should come to them, because after all....

 

I don't know anything more about you than you posted, but in general, conservatives recognize the difference between a hand-up and a hand-out. Helping those with genuine limits is virtually a tradition, something we are proud to do- and we know it serves a good purpose for everyone. One of the reasons that becomes difficult is the people seeking the handout, or subsidy to avoid being responsible for themselves. They make qualification for need benefits more difficult, and they wind up adding a stigma to helping those in genuine need when there should be none. A lot of people take pride in being there for their fellow man who would be doing the same for them if the situations were reversed. Doing so is win-win. Unfortunately, government does a lousy job of recognizing the difference in deserving people and those who are just using the system. I would apologize for that to all those who are treated poorly because of it.

 

Let me guess....you’re a white guy
My husband retired from Wall Street in his forties, was a high school drop out, and is the first one to tell you he never would have been given the opportunity to go down on the trading floor had he been black or female.

 

I can only assume that you think in fair competition, everybody would be a winner. They do that at some kinds of events; give everyone a little trophy. Everybody wins- an illusion designed to make them feel good. Mediocrity at best, usually less.

However in real life, you earn your position, and no matter what is given to you that you didn't earn, you don't become a better person for it. There are some people driven to excel, and they won't settle for anything less. There are far more that will settle for comfortable, and quite a few that will settle for less than comfortable if it lets them dodge being responsible.
That creates classes of people- winners, middle class and outright losers. It's a choice- and of course, it requires commitment, dedication and having the right priorities if you want to move up. That's where the rubber meets the road, and if you don't have it, you don't get results. That's not conspiracy against anyone, it's life. Reality.

The people who excel drive the economy- they create the entities that create the jobs. They pay the lions share of the taxes, contribute the most to charities, provide the most support to environmental organizations. The rest are pretty much along for the ride. They help things happen- but they usually don't make things happen.

Those on the other side think that if they work for a company (and get paid in full) the company still owes them shares of profit. Not loss, that would only be due to bad management, but profit is always due to the employees because they are making the goods, and without them the company wouldn't exist- or so they like to think. It's like eating in the restaurant. If there was nobody there to eat the food, the restaurant would be out of business, so they should pay the customers to come in. That sounds logical to some people, probably to you.

The inability to reason, to think logically, seems to be spreading like a contagious disease these days. Like many diseases- it may well be fatal.
It's not up to me to convince anyone. All I try to do is reveal what I know to be true, to give people a chance to look at things from a different point of view, and broaden their perception. Of course, the people who need it worst are of course the least likely to consider doing so

 

No. Ridiculous. But there are economic trends and statistical realities to consider. And they show a top 1% that has run away with the prize they awarded themselves, while those who helped them get crumbs or less even though they were essential to making it all possible for the rich.

We need a new type of economy, but the most persuasive reason to pursue a new economic model is not so much the plight of the average worker, although that is a powerful argument, but rather that our current system is creating serious problems that it cannot solve. We need a system that doesn't, by its very nature, prevent problem-solving. You have no idea of the kinds of things I'm referring to, right?