Minimum Wage

What is corporate welfare? Just a slogan. Give me a good example of corporate welfare.

 

I don't think YOU know what you are referring to. There is nothing wrong with the way America is going.

 

Ahhh yes, another racist, assuming I am white. You must be one of those closet racist?

 

Ok first off most people who usually argue about this subject don't understand what minimum wage IS.

Even so, politicians constantly use minimum wage for votes and support. The reason why they don't say let's do it "now or within 1 year" and instead say let's work toward $1-$20 minimum wages in "gradually within 5+ years" is because by then Inflation will have caught up and your $20 minimum wage will be the same as your $10 one now. It's an ingenious trick.

If you want to be able to spend more, I always tell people they need to stop thinking about "More" money" and start thinking more about making things "COST LESS". When things cost less the money you have now has more value, if you fight against inflation you make it so that your money stays valuable for a longer period of time. no one thinks like this the majority of the time.

 

It is about equal protection of the law regarding employment at will, for unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; to solve simple poverty.

 

Because I believe the concepts of a free labor market are imperative. I think minimum wages only provide protectionism for indi ideals that may not even be worth that much.

 

Those types don't know white privilege, because they invented white privilege. Or at least grew up with it and don't know any different.
So they whine when it's gone. Thinking the world is now stacked against them. When in fact, it's equaling out.

 

Subsidies.

 

You see problems as people not making enough money. I see that problem as people not earning enough money.
I also see it as people complaining abut what they make being unwilling to manage not only their money, but their choices in life- placing fun, booze, drugs, tattoos, big trucks and a multitude of ways to spend money foolishly ahead of saving, investing and fiscal responsibility- then blaming the inevitable result on not being paid enough to support the choices they make. In short, shifting the responsibility for what is in their control but they lack the will power to do and blaming others.

The reason why some do exceptionally well and some do very poorly is hardly social or political- it's personal. Your ability to manage yourself and your affairs, to shape and tune your own mental abilities wind up translating to the quality of your life. People who have everything going for them or given to them frequently fail, and become addicts or suicidal. Others who have nothing. who have grown up in abuse and poverty, sometimes become fabulous successes. That is just the opposite of what people like you think is happening, because the things you think control those outcomes are simply not true. It is what you have inside, your ability to find it and make the most of it that determines the quality of your life.

So long as you blame others, you will not hold yourself accountable or responsible. That means you abdicate the power that can make all the difference, and have no control over your own life. It's like going down the highway but jumping in the back seat and blaming society and those who are carefully controlling their own vehicle for the fact yours won't stay on the road or go where you want.

It's a lot less complicated than you want to believe. The world and people are not perfect, there will always be things that are wrong, unjust, offensive, not fair- but when you let those dominate your thinking, let them determine who's in the drivers seat of your car..... you're screwed. That is by far a bigger problem than the ones you are raving about. IF everyone controls their car, we have prevented problems, and that is substantially better than solving them.

 

Yup, and people who like to blame the poor for their plight are usually people with a gambling problem that feeds their addiction to porn and prostitutes.

See? I can make it up too.

 

No, they don't. All they do is Talk. Nothing but propaganda is all they have.

 

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The plight of the poor, for the majority- is totally the result of their own life choices, which they think they are not responsible for. They think like you- somebody must be to blame for my not being wealthy, but it couldn't possibly be me....
And so the "plight" continues indefinitely.

Making it up changes nothing.
Blaming others, society, the system, changes nothing.
Changing yourself changes everything.

 

You left out sexist also. Are you a white male? I made my assumption based on your lack of reality and lack of understanding about privileges of white males throughout our history

 

Yep, you’re right...the kid growing up in the projects has the same opportunities as Barron trump.
And you’re right people just love living at the poverty level collecting public assistance.
My husband grew up in the worst poverty and one of the things he pointed out was a lack of hope. He never heard the word college because it wasn’t a reality in his world. In my world it was which college I would go to because that was an assumption.

 

The "corporate welfare" is certainly nothing of the kind.
Generally these subsidies are ways of getting corporations onto the tax rolls of the state or community; it's a way of making themselves the best choice for a new plant location or expansion, and giving breaks on for example property tax for 5 for 10 years. They do this in part, because they are competing with other prospective locations- and because the jobs and influx of cash from such plants to the community is much larger. Of course the subsidies expire, then they sock it to them with taxes. Property taxes on commercial property are usually far more aggressive than the taxation on you home. You might say the tax breaks are kind of like fish bait on the hook. You sacrifice the minnow to reel in the lunker.

Just like you shopping for a car, the corporations are looking for the best deal- and do you worry about the dealer losing money or not surviving because you got a discount?
They do not pay the corporations cash with such breaks; they only reduce or suspend some of the taxes on them for a period of time. Then once the plant is established and immovable, they set the hook. In effect, they invested the tax credit in order to gain all the future taxes. Hardly anything like welfare.

 

Corporate welfare is a term that analogizes corporate subsidies to welfare payments for the poor. The term is often used to describe a government's bestowal of money grants, tax breaks, or other special favorable treatment for corporations.
You have no problem with billions of your tax dollars going to corporations but it upsets you that children get food stamps. We just have different values

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxana...-outrage-over-corporate-welfare/#2f13567527dd
You rationalize helping those who don’t need help and condemn those who do

 

You may note that I didn't say it was easy. You might also note that while Baron Trump will have what is called a hand-up, that is not the same as a hand out, and further it is not a subsidy from government or public but a gift from parents who did well. Would you give your kids a hand up by passing along what you had worked for all you life? Somewhere back down the line, a parent worked his ass off to get ahead- then passed it along, and that son or daughter used it to move up, and passed it along to their child to help them.

Sadly, many who inherit and have the best chances fail, because their parents weren't able to give them the self discipline, sense of responsibility and ambition it takes to build. Being gifted with money does not make you successful, or even wealthy- just temporarily rich. It is what you do with it that will determine who you really are. It is also possible to become rich-- very rich, when poverty, abuse and disadvantage was all you started with. Take $950,000.00 for example. That is the annual property tax on the home of such a person. Her name is Oprah Winfrey. Do some background research and see where she came from.

One of the worst things a person can do is to hold others responsible for their own situation. It destroys your ability to control your own life, and nothing is more critical to your success than that. What's more that applies to all the things we value and seek- love, happiness and success as each of us define them. To fail because someone else got a hand up and you didn't is to condemn yourself.

You don't measure your success by someone else's achievements, but by your own- meeting, becoming, being all you expect of yourself. If you can genuinely earn your own self-respect, you have power and a kind of wealth that isn't limited by your bank account- .and includes happiness, which the money will never buy. The beautiful part is that anyone can do this. Most won't, but anyone can.

 

did you know that the already rich got to keep their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare?

nothing like welfare for the poor.

 

And you misunderstand. A city or state providing what is being called "corporate welfare" IS NOT giving away money- they are bringing it in, trying to provide some incentive to a company to locate, build, hire and operate in the area that provides the tax base which funds the community. They are building their tax base in order to increase their own revenue. There is no cash payment in such a case.

And I certainly don't condemn those who need help, but I question exactly how we define that. If you understand the difference between a hand-up and a hand-out, then you understand that all who claim to be in need are not being helped but being subsidized when others support them.

I have a friend who is a wheat farmer, managing about 2500 acres. It's a family operation, and they are very honorable and independent people. Last spring, Rod was diagnosed with terminal pancreatic cancer, and went into immediate chemo/radiation therapies in an effort to drive it into remission, which is very rare in this most dangerous cancer. Without any discussion, those in his circle of friends simply stepped in and took over. They harvested the crops, did the ground prep, and right now are planting the next crop. Why? because that is what good people do, and they knew quite well that if they were the one in trouble, Rod would have done the same for them. It's heartwarming to see this happen, it's the way things should be. Rod also appears to be responding to the treatment. Last spring they gave him four months, but remission looks more promising with every exam.

Now if Rod had been a person who didn't have character or motivation to do for himself, those neighbors wouldn't have been there.
Hand up/Hand-out. Both win in a hand-up; both lose in a hand-out.

 

Or, roasting the Golden Goose for dinner, because it was fat....

 

I would have done everything to have the trouble of a fit mind and body even if my IQ was average and I wasn't gifted physically for sports to make a living at that. Now I think circumstances matter I had advantages being born disabled two parents, a working father, being working class for some time, his military benefits and the help of the Army and a close knit military community and for me military schools on bases. Later they sent me to parochial High School at some costs and difficulty. Even with all these things I had to many issues and struggled to work and eventually due to no medical care as an adult and no options for much fell to where I'm on the Dole likely for life. I didn't do anything wrong the dice just fell as they did and the love and support of my parents and others never compensated. So I can see with the reverse it might cause issues save one thing one can still go to school, get the High School Diploma and then leave to make a life for my father his out was the Army, it was that or work in a coal mine and we saw where that industry went. And in time he mustered out with no debt, investments, a rental property and well went to get a civilian job translating for a big multinational. He made it by taking advantage of what he had available and am proud of him.

My take on welfare for many its too generous, it causes women to go to the government instead of marrying the father of their children and makes people lazy who to me have so much good things going for them if they made good choices. I didn't choose to be disabled and my mother did everything right and I came out messed up and society in my case and with jobs I could do gone as options and re-training of no value (the states vocational rehab office and other charity options all agreed on that) I have to live as I do. Maybe if they didn't give out so much to people who made bad choices I would get maybe a housing benefit or better Medicaid options such as an ALF if I need to go to one or better if needed at home attending so I can live on my own if I get less well. But the money goes to people to the point the welfare is better than working or preferable to working at any work they can get.

My dad back in the day DID farm labor and worked hard, and wasn't special, just a teen who wanted to work and most adults worked with him since it was honest work and paid now its too good for poor people to do the same kind of work which is in demand every year. Pathetic.

 

has nothing to do with economics.

why complain about the cost of social services for the poor, when we could be lowering our tax burden, at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage.

 

min wage protects us from people that would only pay employees $3.50 an hour, it the bare min, we would hope no one goes that low, but without it, people would go even lower

 

Why do you assume that the employee needs the protection of nanny government?

In all honesty Fresh, and not to be disrespectful, I can't figure out why the agenda always revolves around people being victims.

I mean, let's say an employer interviewed somebody and subsequently offered them $3.50 per hour. There is a few things that can happen:

1.The potential employee believes that this is what they are worth, and accepts the offer. There is no force here. Acceptance indicates a mutual agreement between the employer and the employee.

or

2. The employee believes that they are being short changed for the value they bring to the employer, thus they counter offer with a higher rate or seek employment elsewhere.

I don't understand why people are always being made to be victims of everything.