Trump Threatens Canada ‘Ruination’ on Autos Amid Nafta Talks

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  1. Moi621

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    Sure. What percent on assistance as opposed to normal :flagcanada:? :)
    Mix some good Euro White as described earlier - West of Orthodox Christian, with a smattering of Ashkenazi - genome and the hybrid may be well be more successful.
    Look at the generation passing as Black that are half Black/Half Ashkenazi Hollywood for example.
    Dr. No understood genetic improvement and that is why he hybridized Chinese + Black into Chingroes. Don't blame Moi. Read Your Ian Flemming.


    With no genetic "improvement" :rolleyes:
    PLEASE demonstrate a population that was neolithic in 1500
    and successful in our modern, global world today! PLEASE.
    So many with the benefits of Spain, Portugal, England, France, Holland, :flagus:
    did any "adapt" without hybridiztion.
     
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    Bullshit. I witnessed it first hand.
     
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    Quebec emerged 50 years ago from a period where Quebecers were unable to even get service in French in some parts of their province. Quebec politics was a generation of struggle to preserve the French culture and language. They are reluctant to embrace bilingualism in their education system because they're afraid French will quietly disappear.

    Even under the pressure of living in a sea of 500+m people in North America, Quebecers are slowly embracing English.
     
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    Trudeau brought on a social revolution by changing laws governing marriage and divorce, citizenship, women's rights, and multiculturalism.
     
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    The above summarizes the left’s understanding of supply side economic policies. Their mouths repeatably open but nothing comes out.
     
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    That's great! How did he elevate Canadians, given your first hand experience?
     
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    And now all Canadians must pay for abortions whether they approve of the practice or not. Easier divorces were a good thing but that was happening everywhere in the west during this period, as was the case for women's rights.

    Multiculturalism was and is a failure to the point where even his son Justin, The Boy Wonder, is confused about what being a Canadian really is. Those who fought in World Wars I and II would not recognize the country they once fought and died for.


    "Trudeau visited Moscow a few times and reported favorably on Stalin's totalitarianism in the magazine Cite Libre. He frequently expressed enthusiasm for Mao Tse Tung and China's Communist regime, never referring to the mind-boggling number of lives that were snuffed out by that regime. He greatly admired Cuba's marxist despot Fidel Castro and publicly hugged his friend Castro during a trip to Cuba in 1976. Trudeau's shout of "Vive Castro!" at a large public event during the trip was broadcast around the world. Link Byfield, in a September 30, 2000 Globe and Mail column, stated Trudeau "was once overheard by reporters remarking to Fidel Castro how much quicker and easier it would be to run things the Cuban way".
     
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    And you finally admit what I've said all along. Canada is an agrarian resource based economy.
     
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    Approval on the economy and the following more explicit number are apples and oranges.
    Nice try though

    • Fifty-four percent say the economy is good or excellent, the highest recorded by CNBC in the 10 years of the survey.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/25/majority-of-americans-approve-of-trumps-handling-of-the-economy.html
     
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    I'd like to get back to the theme of how globalization threatens national sovereignty, the threat that you so casually dismiss. When I first made that assertion I was thinking of something I heard about NAFTA allowing certain types laws passed in foreign countries being enforceable on US citizens.

    While searching for that I discovered a more stark example about TPP:

    "One strong hint is buried in the fine print of the closely guarded draft. The provision, an increasingly common feature of trade agreements, is called “Investor-State Dispute Settlement,” or ISDS. The name may sound mild, but don’t be fooled. Agreeing to ISDS in this enormous new treaty would tilt the playing field in the United States further in favor of big multinational corporations. Worse, it would undermine U.S. sovereignty.

    ISDS would allow foreign companies to challenge U.S. laws — and potentially to pick up huge payouts from taxpayers — without ever stepping foot in a U.S. court. Here’s how it would work. Imagine that the United States bans a toxic chemical that is often added to gasoline because of its health and environmental consequences. If a foreign company that makes the toxic chemical opposes the law, it would normally have to challenge it in a U.S. court. But with ISDS, the company could skip the U.S. courts and go before an international panel of arbitrators. If the company won, the ruling couldn’t be challenged in U.S. courts, and the arbitration panel could require American taxpayers to cough up millions — and even billions — of dollars in damages."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7095ec7c36bb
     
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    Before P.E. Trudeau, anglophone in Canada saw themselves as member of the british commonwealth first and citizen of Canada second. After Trudeau they were Canadian first. I hate the guy, being french canadian myself, but I've got to recognized what he did for the Canadian identity. His government "canadianized" the old crown corporations, he rapatriated the constitution and gave us the bill of rights. So yeah, he's the father of modern Canada.
     
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    Great find. That may have been the last time Elizabeth Warren bumped into the real world.
     
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    IMO there is a parallel in the US where the left has been “”elevated” by Obama. Unfortunately this “elevation” has resulted in a complete loss of rationality, the reversal of “innocent until proven guilty”, and a justification of any means to attack what the left deems evil. Obama has severely damaged the US.
     
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    Just like propaganda against french is everywhere in the rest of Canada. You really hate it when a culture doesn't want to be assimilated. Of course you're missing the reason why it is so in quebec...
    You don't like it when people you deem inferior fight back and take control of their destiny. By the late 60's we were tired of saying "yes sir" to our english bosses who controlled our lived from their offices in Toronto. We took control democraticaly, hell even P.E. Trudeau was part of that movement before he was elected on the federal level.

    French are the majority in quebec and have the right to work and live in french in their province. Don't like it? There are 9 other provinces for you to live in.
     
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    So, Trudeau finally realized Sam Adams was right about the Brits.
    Wouldn't "Americanized" be more accurate than "canadianized"? ;-)
     
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    Gee, I guess it hasn't dawned on some that 10 years of continuous economic growth will naturally result in more people thinking the economy good or excellent.

    Yet another trumpian "win" - only he could have done that NOT.
     
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    Yet it is Obama that said " what's he gonna do wave a magic wand"

    Guess Trump does have such a wand.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/06/man...in-march-continuing-comeback-under-trump.html
     
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    There were hundreds of aboriginal tribes in North America and some have been successful. Some have adopted European technology and are today successful and intact.
     
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    Yes, it's called treating you the way you treat everyone. Get used to it....it's time to bully the bullies....
     
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    it seems that ISDS is a feature of almost all big international trade agreement dispute resolution clauses. Including NAFTA.

    NOthing in the ISDS can overturn domestic law, btw.

    Seems to me that international arbitration is the best mechanism for resolution within international agreements.

    I get that you'd rather have any trade or investment disputes settled in American courts, but I doubt other nations would think they were getting a fair shake. Not to mention vice versa, since no American would EVER leave dispute resolution in the hands of a foreign nation's justice system.

    You confuse voluntarily entered international agreements with loss of sovereignty. That is simply not the case.
    It is a "sovereign" decision of the nations involved. Think it weakens the government? dont' sign the friggin deal.

    A wise man once told me "there is a price for everything in this sweet paradise".

    I appreciate your post, since it prompted me to learn more. thanks.

    this document is an indepth analysis of NAFTA dispute resolution mechanisms and issues. Its dense and a bit of a slog, but incredibly informative.

    https://www.bakerinstitute.org/media/files/files/fa4d9adf/mex-pub-nafta-040218-1.pdf

    as for ISDS wiki seems to have a simple overview.
    https://www.bakerinstitute.org/media/files/files/fa4d9adf/mex-pub-nafta-040218-1.pdf

    and straight from the "horse's mouth" descriptions

    https://www.nafta-sec-alena.org/Hom...Overview-of-the-Dispute-Settlement-Provisions
     
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    Not a comprehensive list but off the top of my old noggin.

    He repatriated the constitution.
    He elevated Canada's profile on the world stage.
    He introduced multicultralism.
    He enshrined bilingualism in all government services.
    He dealt harshly with the FLQ.




    He wasn't perfect by any means but he was a great Canadian.
     
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    As it should be. I object to locking up people for posessing marijuana, so should I have to pay taxes for that? Where does it stop?
    Yes, and Pierre Trudeau changed the law in Canada.
    Multiculturalism saved Canada by elevating the importance of the French culture. It was extended to other cultures represented by immigrant groups and the idea of cultural tolerance became central to the Canadian identity. New Canadians from cultures around the world are accepted and they learn that they in turn must learn to accept other cultures in their new country. You might think it's ironic, but Canadians are rather intolerant of intolerance.
    Trudeau was trying to have Canada play well above its weight on the international stage. I think it was unwise to cozy up to the like of Mao and Castro by saying nice things about them, although I think it was fine for Canada to improve relations with communist countries.
     
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    My f'ing geezuz, read this from the CIA Factbook carefully:

    "Canada resembles the US in its market-oriented economic system, pattern of production, and high living standards. Since World War II, the impressive growth of the manufacturing, mining, and service sectors has transformed the nation from a largely rural economy into one primarily industrial and urban. Canada has a large oil and natural gas sector with the majority of crude oil production derived from oil sands in the western provinces, especially Alberta. Canada now ranks third in the world in proved oil reserves behind Venezuela and Saudi Arabia and is the world’s seventh-largest oil producer."

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ca.html

    The importance of our having access to Canadian raw materials remains. Trump should be careful not to drive or spook Canada into giving preferred access to their raw materials in return for trade deals.
     
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    And he in no small part succeeded in elevating our international profile.

    Trudeau was an intellectual of the first order. He recognized that isolating adversaries prevented any progress. He actually "befriended" Castro in the process, but NEVER agreed with totalitarian rule. He felt opening up Cuba would eventually lead to reformation. He was attracted to Mao's intellect (not yet failing) and recognized that China was going to emerge from its international dormancy as a true world power. Rumor has it that while Nixon hated him, he did listen to him at least on China (not cuba). Interestingly, this reproachment did not extend to the USSR.
     

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