Trump Threatens Canada ‘Ruination’ on Autos Amid Nafta Talks

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  1. Moi621

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    Name five or ten.

    Or even one
    ;)

    Remember, purebreds.
    Not like American Cherokee who by the time of the revolution were pretty hybridized.
     
  2. LangleyMan

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    Trump has a long, long way to go before he has successfully put in place policies that will result in sustained higher economic growth. I've mentioned those factors to you on several occasions, but you keep coming back with propaganda.
     
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    Precisely. I am against these sorts of international trade agreements. You can say you are willing to give up sovereignty to gain the benefits of a trade deal. But you can't argue that you are not giving up sovereignty, which was your initial position.

    And I am unwilling to pay that price especially given all the other downsides to globalization
     
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    It was Obama that said Trump needed a magic wand to bring back production jobs. It was under Obama those jobs were going away. Now under Trump they are coming back. That's reversal of a trend not a trend. Obamas "those jobs are not coming back" policies were killing manufacturing job growth. Obama said it couldn't be done, Trump did it.

    "The manufacturing mini-renaissance continues. Over the past year,
    According to today's employment report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the sector has added 222,000 jobs, 1resuming a recovery that had paused in 2015 and 2016 amid strength in the dollar and weakness in the U.S. oil and gas industry".

    "The manufacturing sector is adding jobs at a faster pace than the rest of the economy, which hasn't happened much over the past half century"

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ing-keeps-adding-jobs-amid-trump-s-tough-talk
     
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    Look at Canadas exports. Largely resource based raw materials. The big exception is automobiles which they merely make for companies based in other countries. They are just cheap labor in that regard and their is no Canadian auto industry in and of itself.

    The following export product groups represent the highest dollar value in Canadian global shipments during 2017. Also shown is the percentage share each export category represents in terms of overall exports from Canada.
    Main thing though is the US buys 75% of their goods. We are in the driver's seat here.

    1. Mineral fuels including oil: US$84.6 billion (20.1% of total exports)
    2. Vehicles: $62.3 billion (14.8%)
    3. Machinery including computers: $32.4 billion (7.7%)
    4. Gems, precious metals: $18.6 billion (4.4%)
    5. Wood: $14.1 billion (3.3%)
    6. Electrical machinery, equipment: $13 billion (3.1%)
    7. Plastics, plastic articles: $12.6 billion (3%)
    8. Aluminum: $9.8 billion (2.3%)
    9. Aircraft, spacecraft: $9.7 billion (2.3%)
    10. Oil seeds: $7.9 billion (1.9%)
    Now compare that to US exports not only in content but in dollars. Canada is a bit player and their entire top ten exports don't equal our machinery exports alone.

    . Machinery – $206 billion

    Industrial equipment made in the U.S.A has the best reputation of any in the world. These products are sold to any country that requires mining equipment, tractors, or advanced pumps, which pretty much includes most of the industrial world.

    2. Electronic equipment (including computers) – $170 billion

    The United States is still at the forefront of the most advanced computing devices.

    3. Spacecraft and aircraft – $131 billion

    Europe’s Airbus can’t compete with Lockheed-Martin or Boeing in terms of quality or reputation. This is our number #1 export to the U.K.

    4. Cars – $127 billion

    Several years ago, Asia was giving Detroit fits. Today, however, American-made vehicles are making a comeback.

    5. Petroleum – $106 billion

    This may come as a shocker, but America is now a net exporter of oil.

    6. Medical equipment – $83 billion

    Nobody makes life-saving devices to higher standards than the U.S.

    7. Plastics – $60 billion

    The United States exports this commodity to nearly all of its FTA partners.

    8. Gems, precious metals, and coins – $58 billion

    This category is America’s 2nd most popular export to Hong Kong.

    9. Pharmaceuticals – $47 billion

    The United States is second only to Germany in terms of its market share for prescription drugs.

    10. Organic chemicals – $39 billion

    China and Japan buy a combined $5.2 billion of this commodity from the U.S.


    https://www.evansdist.com/americas-top-10-exports/
     
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  7. LangleyMan

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    To what end? As time goes on, Canada will drop back to being a middle-level player as its economy trends to the size of its population.
    I never saw the point of making flattering statements about monsters like Mao or dictators like Casto.
     
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    YOU assert purebred neolithic populations in 1500 AD are successful today
    yet fail to name 5 or 10 or even 1.
    Hide behind the skirts of a link to serve obfuscation. ;)

    Remember
    They were good at smoke signals
    Not Smoke Screens.



    Demonstrated, @LangleyMan cannot stand behind or in front of his assertion.
    So he muddies up the dialog. "see my link"
    So :flagcanada:

    No thank you.
    Have fun with yourself
    Or try dialog.
     
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    Well at least you inadvertently admit Trump's policies are currently working by falling back on the argument that his booming economy isn't yet "sustained".
     
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    The problem with trying to avoid globalization--it's well past "too late."
     
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    Needless to say, I disagree. Tear up the free trade agreements, impose effective tariffs and effective border enforcement and globalization goes "poof!"

    I would say that given political developments here and in Europe, globalization is in trouble.
     
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    This is not a "black vs white" issue. It is not an all or nothing game. Bad trade deals are not good but, unrestrained protectionism is perhaps worse.
     
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    How long have they been hybridized?
    I'd sure like to see some 23AndMe on them. I do see wavy hair.


    [​IMG]
    Osoyoos Indian Band Chief Clarence Louie addresses band youth at the opening of Area 27 race track last year.

    https://infotel.ca/newsitem/video-south-okanagan-first-nation-trumpets-economic-success/it53171


    I am looking for "natives" who did it on their own genome. (But, that's just Moi)
    Americas. Sub Sahara Africa. Polynesia. Australia.
    Any people who were neolithic in the year 1500 and have become successful populations/nations on their own genome with the best efforts of the British, French, Dutch, Spain, :flagus:, but not the genome of those developed nation via hybridizing.

    It was postulated one cannot take a neolithic genome population and via education, etc. create a successful population/nation, even in 400 - 500 hundred of years.
    Definition: successful nation - by Euro American standards.

    Conclusion: It's in the genes!

    :blowkiss:



    633575956140903997-CanadiansThisiswhat33millionofthemlooklike.jpg
    Atavisms happen.




     
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    I see you have no clue what economic trends are, nor their importance.

    No worries, blind belief is rarely informed belief and in this case the substantive knowledge gap is more than evident.
     
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    Last two years of Obama manfacturing jobs stagnated. First two years of Trump they soared. I like that trend.
     
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    Only hosers look like that. Granted there's millions of em.
     
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    Actually, that was due to the Cubs winning the world series. And I don't have to provide evidence of causation, just correlation. Support the Cubs , if you support manufacturing jobs. It's science!

    :D
     
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    Trump immediately started undoing Obama policies. That's political science and the results are clear.
     
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    We've been over this before. Canada had its own car brands and integrated its industry with the U.S. fifty years ago in what Presidunce Blimp is showing them may in retrospect have been unwise.

    https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canada-us-automotive-products-agreement
    I don't know why you don't "get it." Canada sells a lot of raw materials worldwide even though it has significant manufacturing and services sectors. Did you read the CIA Factbook assessment of the Canadian economy?
    We can indeed hurt them in the shorter term, but that doesn't mean they can't adjust.

    The bad thing about Trump's approach to Canada is they will pull away from us to avoid being vulnerable in the future. Your own list of our imports from Canada show what we're putting into play.
    So? They'll buy what they need from us and cut deals with the EU, China, Japan, Korea, etc. in return for their resources. They don't need our cars, airplanes, etc.
    We'll see how long the shale lasts.
    We'll see how happy our drug companies are in Canada goes back to short duration patents on our drugs.
     
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    No, globalization would go on without us.
    The EU just concluded a free trade deal with China, and they have a deal with our largest export market, Canada. Then there is the TPP...

    You guys keep trying to rationalize what Trump is doing. Maybe you're barking up the wrong tree.
     
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    There they go again. Amusing.
     
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    One kid with curly hair and you're going Margaret Sanger on us? Oh, my...
    Well, you have your example. Deal with it.
     
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    A bit arrogant, he, no?
     

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