Defund Planned Parenthood.

America already has far too much influence from evangelicals

 

What does 'advantage' have to do with it, other than providing the right context for risk taking? I didn't take such risks when I was not in that context. Did you? And if so, why? Were you happy to raise a child on your own? Or happy to have an abortion?

 

And that is what is happening here. The woman goes to the doctor they determine an abortion is required and she has one

health can be a very broad concept

Despite the laws embedded in the criminal code that affect both abortion providers and the women seeking abortion our rates for the procedure itself are close to the USA. That may be over calculated slightly as count is only done for the procedure and the procedure is also used for incomplete miscarriage

 

Again which "qualified personnel". And can you tell me one major medical procedure that requires outside review?

 

It's interesting to note the exception made for this surgical procedure. Other than in Cosmetic Surgery (vanity procedures) and Obstetrics (c-sections), no other fields of medicine ignore the Oath by carrying out procedures in the absence of medical necessity. And we would not have it any other way.

 

Right, so the focus should be on raising our kids not to be dysfunctional.

 

What "living human"?

Is an 8 week old foetus a "living human"? How about a 2 week old foetus? Or a fertilised egg not yet implanted? Why not go further and declare all sperm potential humans

 

Again this is less about actual practical assistance and more about preaching to others?

 

It's never done via preaching. I have no idea why you folk think any kind of preaching is involved. Personal demons, perhaps.

 

Okay
She was of a religion that did not allow abortion but had an abortion in a Catholic hospital, why? BEcause she had an ectopic pregnancy- rare it was a cervical ectopic and as the foetus grew she started to bleed. Very badly. She almost died

Are you going to insist that she should have gone through some time wasting process prior to the very necessary termination of the pregnancy?

 

So we got two big exceptions already. Great.

 

50% WORLDWIDE, with the majority of those being in the West. And the reason it's a failure is because it was predicated on the interests of adults, not children. Though they did a good job of convincing themselves it was in the child's best interests.

Meantime, how delightfully out of touch you are, if you think that 1970's nonsense is Happening and Now. Even down to referring to anything not specifically 1970's as 1950s-esque. Fantastic!

 

Not my job. It's on future-parents to sort themselves out before they start breeding. All I can do is keep saying it out loud.

But I understand the resistance to better parenting. It requires 100% of us, for years and years, consistently. Some people don't care for that kind of thing.

 

In the USA, about 95% (higher depending upon the data source) of abortions are not for actual health reasons, and thats from pro-abortion places like Guttmacher.

People don't support abortion for convenience, they do support abortion for true health problems.

 

Both are highly 'corrupt' fields, it should be noted. This is broadly understood in medicine.

 

Prove it with verifiable evidence from reputable sources

 

No idea what or who you're talking about, sorry.

 

That would help - as would terminating unwanted pregnancies.

 

Nope .. there are no cells from that living human at the zygote stage. These will not be formed until later.

and yes ... on this basis alone things such as contraception which hampers implantation and the morning after pill are perfectly OK. Unfortunately the religious right does not see it this way.

Good that you are finally starting to understand however.

After this point - the point when actual cells that will be part of the living human start to form - this does not mean a living human exists at that point. Sure a living human is being created but that is all we can say at this point.

If you want to claim a human exists at this point - you are welcome to try. Your "it will never be anything else" is fallacious nonsense as you have yet to prove that it is a living human at this point. "assumed premise fallacy".

Sure it may become a living human at some point in the future - this however does not prove that it is a living human now.

A brick is not a building and a small cluster of human cells is not a living human - say a cluster of heart, brain or blood cells.

 

Every inpatient surgery (in fact almost every inpatient procedure which is scheduled in advance and is not an emergency) gets reviewed before the procedure is scheduled, its reviewed by the hospital and the insurance company. These are reviewed for medical necessity, to determine if the treatment is covered or excluded, and for best practices and liability issues. Many are also reviewed post-surgery either through random sampling of procedures, it was applicable to research of a trial, or because the pre-admission review flagged it.

obamacare also created govt review boards.

"Outside review" means an independent review by someone other than the immediate physician and include the hospital, patient and hospital and physician insurance companies, legal staff, and others. Usually they do not meet in person but meet in a telecon or "meet" over email.

 

Because everyone is 'bad', there's no point trying to be better? Wow, that's sad.

 

I didn't lump all abortions together. You were the one that did that and nowhere in the post you are responding to is "hate" or "spite".

Neither is calling out logical fallacy like I did in the previous post.

 

1. It with every single time it is tried. 1/2 century ago:
A. Birth control was much less effective and available
B. Seex education was much less pursued.
Yet:
C. UnwantedUnwanted pregnancies were significantly less common.
Conclusion: Chastity works

Nobody said to enforce Chastity.

2. Yes, I agree. A lot of 1-15 year olds are unwanted. A lot of senior citizens are unsanted. A lot of disabled vets are unwanted.

Killing then isn't the answer.

3. How is killing a child more responsible than allowing the child to live, especially with the number of parents waiting to adopt a newborn?

Is it ever responsible to kill a healthy 5 year old unwanted child? Why or why not?

4. The unborn child at the earliest stage has a unique human DNA and is alive. These facts are not in dispute.

I never expect sympathy, and if I did it wouldn't be from Liberal.

 

My point is that complications of pregnancy HAPPEN. And no one and nothing should interfer with saving a woman's life. This is my main issue with legislation and restrictions - wherever legislation relating to restrictions on abortion happen the infant and maternal mortality increases

 

You've never been pregnant I assume. And I also assume you have had sex.