US Interior Secretary: Naval Blockade is an Option for Dealing with Russia

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  1. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its not the worse people that would survive.

    We've had a shadow government since almost the beginning.

    They aren't evil, they are just there in case all of ours gets wiped out. Its like a designated survivor, how congress always keeps out 1 republican and 1 democrat from all gatherings, just in case something happens.
     
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    There is a Russian military operation being conducted against us. I wouldn't call it a "vast" Russian conspiracy, but obviously such an operation certainly could be called a conspiracy, since Russian state actors are conspiring to harm our nation through information warfare. I try not to reach the point of screaming my head off about it, of course, but I will not cease pointing to the very real and disturbing reality of it and its apparent effects on our society and politics. It has people like you siding with Russia over your own government and national interests, sadly enough.

    If Putin doesn't like that talk, he can cease his operations and stop trying to revive the KGB and USSR to benefit himself at the expense of the Russian people.
     
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    An example of the US putting Russia in its place.

    Another example:

    Russia can stick it where the sun don't shine.
     
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    90% of my surrounding are American. I often get insulted for that. That speaks well enough. Thank you sir.
     
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    I wasn’t alive back then.
     
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    I’m not violating anything. Ever heard of free speech?
     
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    You will appreciate of course that other histories of that battle differ in their portrayals.
    Casualties, size and composition of enemy forces.
    Size composition and casualties of friendly forces.

    It's been Tom Clancyified for the domestic audience.

    It's a good idea to read around the subject. Get both angles from both sides.

    It's a clear victory for US backed forces.
    But not on the scale professed and not against Russian forces per se.
     
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    That's not valid criticism. For one, he said it in response to a question. Second, he is correct. Third, it is his job and the job of our government officials to prepare for scenarios like this. They also have outlined ways for Russia to operate in the energy market without their nefarious dealings. But the mouthpiece of the Russian government isnt going to print those, are they? Nope, doing so would be to print doubt and criticism of moscow's policies...a quick ticket to an early grave, for Russian journalists...
     
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    And how do you propose that we would do that ?
     
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    "I think" Thinking again that was your first mistake.

    While some people would survive. What would that survival look like ? The US would be wiped off the map in a full out nuclear exchange.

    One nuclear sub - 16 missiles (10 MIRVs each) = 160 warheads - 5-7 times the payload of Hiroshima. Wipe 160 US cities off the map with populations of 500K or more and let me know what you are left with ?

    That is just one sub and these are firecrackers. A 20 megaton warhead is 1500 times the payload of Hiroshima. The Russians no longer build them this big because there is just no point - 1-5 megaton (75-375 x the payload of Hiroshima) is far more efficient.

    Imagine being hit with thousands of these. The Castle Bravo Test - let to radioactive contamination of 7000 sq miles of ocean. This means roughly 450 would contaminate the entire continental US. Realistically it is half this number.

    A full strike would begin with the satellites being taken out - no phone for you. The first blasts would be EMP blasts taking out a whole lot of electronics the power grid, communications and so on. Then in silence and darkness you wait for the Zombie apocalypse.

    If it happens in winter and you live in a northern region you freeze to death. This is preferable to the alternative because clean drinking water supplies run out very quickly. You can survive a long time without food (which will also run out) but, without water you have days.

    Chances are you might not make it this far because of the anarchy and chaos. Millions fleeing from one city will run into Millions of people fleeing the opposite direction. If your car wasn't fried by the EMP - and most will be - you will soon run out of gas.

    And no help is coming. In the first week or so there is no way to escape high levels of radiation unless you are are a survivalist and are sitting in your bomb shelter or living in a cave - and assuming no one discovers you and kills you to take your stuff.

    When is the last time you went for more than a couple hours without power, or gas in the winter if you live in the north ?

    It is not the blast that will kill the most people - it is the after effects.

    What's the point of Robbery when nothing is worth taking. Life as you know it will be over.
     
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    It's not his job to openly hint to rage war with a nuclear power
     
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    Sure it is, if asked. His primary mission is to protect the interests of the United States.
     
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    Getting you butt in a nuclear war is not in the interest of the US
     
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    And deterrence is an important part of staying out of war.
     
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    A blockade,... is an act of war,.. is no deterrence
     
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    A credible threat of a blockade most certainly is deterrence.
     
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    a blockade against a nuclear power is not a deterrence.
     
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    Of course it is. What a bizarre thing to say. They value their economy as much or more than they value destroying other countries.
     
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    All of my relatives were fighting on USSR side.
    Any other pearls from a Russian troll?
     
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    It would certainly be difficult and yes the cities would be gone.

    But even if none of our government exists there will be an unharmed ally coming in to provide assistance to us.

    We've conducted 1054 nuclear tests just in America and there is no lingering radiation.

    Yes it was over periods of time but as we can see, it doesn't persist like many thought it would.

    We would be back up and running in a few years, not at anywhere near our current strength but enough to start rebuilding our society.

    I forget that last assessment I read but in a full nuclear exchange we'd probably lose about half our population, that still leaves almost 200 million people to rebuild.

    Russia would have even more that come through it.

    Seriously, short of a hit from an asteroid there isn't much that's going to wipe out the human race completely.
     
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    Also, people forget that Hiroshima and Nagasaki currently have people living in them.
    Nuclear exchange would be devastating, there is no doubt about it, but it won’t be the end of the world. I believe Russia will be much more devastated because their urban population is very tightly packed in high rises while in the US suburbia has most of the brains and abilities of the US population. Dropping 10 nukes on Chicago won’t wipe out the population that actually works and contributes most of the intellectual potential in the region.
     
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    And the president and most leaders of congress would probably be fine.

    Hell, Air Force One is nuclear resistant.

    And lets not forget the tens of thousands of troops we have stationed overseas who would be rushing back to not only restore order but to help rebuild.

    Or all of the friendly nations to us.

    I doubt Russia is going to take all of them out also.

    Really a nuclear war is just pointless and stupid.
     
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    How is that bizarre? The Russians got a habit of buzzing bizarrely close to American ships and planes.... for the luls! A blockade aint no deterrence for them. Just an act of war.
     
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    They have 2800 nukes.
    You won't have any allies or foreign based forces left either.

    All allied cities and army's gone in the first 15 minutes.
     

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