Trump is a fraud

Anything Dirty Donald contributed to anyone was stolen money.

 

Trump supporters aren’t party oriented, they’re Trump oriented. They could care less what Trump did as a dem. . They listen to him like born agains listened to Jerry Falwell. Affecting a change with them is accomplished only if there’s a recession and they lose their job. Then, it will only be temporarily. This trend has been repeating itself for decades.

 

Exactly ..... I'm making money under Trump !

Why do liberals all of a sudden care about Trumps history ?

They didn't give a **** about Obamas history !!!

 

It goes deeper then that. Millions have been donated to other GOP candidates from Russian oligarchs. The entire gop leadership is bought with foreign monie. .

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns

 

You're making money under Obamacare. It was no different then living under Bushs tax cuts for years before the recession regressed. The economy takes years to transition. Look at history. You think it’s his economy the day he took office ? Laughable. Every republican has a recession......have you heard anything about infrastructure spending ? Nope, there is no money. . Your property and state taxes have already begun to rise to make up for federal tax cuts.

 

No! Obamacare has cost me thousands of dollars ..... In healthcare costs !

HE .... tripled my premiums !!!

 

Trump hasn’t defrauded the State. He avoids paying as much tax as he can, legally, as all businessmen do.

So far I haven’t found a lie Trump told, though I’ve been trying for a year. If you know of a Trump lie please place the detail here – the wording of the lie, and the link. No Gish Gallops or Fake News, thanks.

You “give” your son or daughter lots of things to avoid paying tax legally. The kid doesn’t get to keep it – he “gives” it back. None of it is illegal and all Democrat businessmen do the same thing. Go look at Carlos Slim’s tax adventures. He’s a real crook but the NY Times won’t be doing an expose on him. Oh yeah – that’s because he’s their biggest shareholder.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence is.

Theresa prevented millions having contraceptives, spreading AIDS and causing hundreds of thousands of miserable deaths. If Trump murdered her he deserves a medal.

 

I guess you never remember how fast premiums were going up before Obamacare. If you want to minimize the rate at which costs go up, and they always will, take a lesson from everyother free market economy.....universal healthcare with better results. But then, you’d have to share good health with minorities. You have only to look at obese Trump to see why healthcare costs are on the rise. The largest outlay is from diabetic related diseases which is a direct result of the increased in the number of obese people. Education is a huge factor in keeping costs down and it more likely happens with universal healthcare. Fat people are the result of ignorance in eating habits. Trump exemplifies it.
You’ve been brainwashed by the FAT right.

 

You live in a dream world and only listen to Faux.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list

 

"So far I haven’t found a lie Trump told, though I’ve been trying for a year."

You're not trying at all. If you were, you'd have to admit that you like being lied to, as most Trumpsters do. The "lent a million" and made a billion that Trump oft repeated is a lie, among so many others.

You just insist that Trump is honest as George Washington with the apple so you can troll this forum!

 

Now that was an exercise at trying to put words in my mouth.

Lawsuits and liens are not ususal in development if you're a crooked schmuck. Most of the really large compties that I deal with do not get into lawsuits and avoid leins over contract disputes. If they are in litigation, it's ususally on the land side of the ". Subcontractors only file leins or go to court as a weapon of last resort.

I have a number of customers and friends whose portfolios are similar to yours. I also know several that are signifcantly larger. One or two of them could buy and sell Trump (depending on which lie about his net worth he tells).

I did not "ran from addressing anything about the relationships between GC's and SC'" at all.

I've spent much of my career in that space. Like I said, I have spent a career successfully avoiding the Donald Trumps of the world.

As far as envy. No, I have never envied the flashy and flash in the pan. I have a Rolex, thank you. I've seen guys like that come and go for over thirty years. They seldom last more than a few years, and the ones that do, like Trump had their portfolio handed to them. And like Trump, most of them dissipate their inheritance on bad deals.

Now, you can explain why Trump can't get a loan from anyone who doesn't speak Russian.

 

LOL

Boasting is poor replacement for facts.

And yes you did run from the questions I asked. You still are.

When a SC does inferior work, a mountain of change orders are generated. Punch lists seem to never end. Ever seen that?

So who pays the SC? What happens when a GC get into a dispute with a SC?

How many layers of the onion are there on a major development? 10, 20? How many trades are involved in building a 60 story building?

Ever developed a $500 million project?

And I love the BS about Russians being the only ones who will lend to Trump. Come on Tom, don't destroy your credibility like that.

 

Certain countries are sticking with the Iranian treaty - while most of the companies in those countries won't deal with the Iranians - sanctions do work.

 

Yeah, I agree. I call them Trump Republicans to differentiate them from real Republicans. As such, they really don't have any political beliefs. They don't have beliefs, period, other than a strong belief in Trump.

That is why members of Trump's fan club are referred to as a cult. They have blind loyalty to Trump, and they pay no attention to what he actually says and does.

Take for example, this thread. It has been shown that Trump lied to his supporters about his entire life. It has been shown that he and his father broke our nations laws. They defrauded the federal and state governments of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Do his followers care? Hell, no. One Trumpet said that cheating the government was normal business practice. Most of Trump's fans have simply ignored these revelations, and, if they responded at all to this thread, they tried to change the subject.

Never again can we allow these people to chose our President again.

 

Ha ha ha. One would think from reading OPs from hillary democrats that their party and their politicians were some kind of example of exemplar behavior when it comes to no scumbaggery and lying. And if you know this about partisan dems, most of what they write is just completely not relevant at all, given they are just as guilty, although they might use a different style than trump.

When the pot calls the kettle black, it is just irrelevant hot air, and they cannot help themselves. I do listen to them seriously when they don't indulge in this trash talking, but that is just not that often these days. Serious discourse is a thing of the past when it comes to democrats. I don't think a modern partisan knows what serious, unaffected discourse is anymore.

 

Our votes count as much as yours.

 

"Boasting is poor replacement for facts."

Then why do you keep on doing it? You've proclaimed your expertise, and are still trying to derail the thread by trying to get into a discussion about general contractors and subcontractors (a subject I have forty years worth of experience with).

This is all in aid of the fact that you keep repeating that the Times article is libelous, yet you utterly failed to offer even a single work of rebuttal or facts to contradict the contents of the article (did you even read it????)

And, it is widely known in commercial real estate that Trump is bad news. He doesn't pay his bills., he has defaulted on nearly all of his major projects, and most of his partners wind up sueing him (this was true of even his first deal).

It's also why none of the brown shoe lawyers who normally jump at the chance to represent the President of the United States won't work for Trump. "He doesn't listen, and he doesn't pay" said one of them (yes I can document that)

As for his ability to get financing. Outside of the Russians, only Deustche Bank has lent on any major Trump project in the last twenty years. This during a period in which Russian money launderers were heavily involved with the bank.

"
Mr. Trump’s complicated history with Wall Street goes back to the early 1990s, when three of his casinos ran into financial trouble; the Trump Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. Creditors often ended up with pennies on the dollar, and the failures soured Mr. Trump’s relationship with a number of banks.

At one point, Mr. Trump was responsible for about $900 million personally before his businesses were restructured. Several bankers on Wall Street say they are simply not willing to take on what they almost uniformly referred to as “Donald risk.”

Another risk with dealing with Mr. Trump is his proclivity to sue. Deutsche Bank got a taste of his litigious side in 2008 when he sued it and a group of other financial institutions to avoid paying the $40 million that he had personally guaranteed on a $640 million construction loan connected to the Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago.

Things went awry when Deutsche Bank asserted in late 2008 that part of the construction loan was due and payable.

Mr. Trump asked the lenders for more time to pay because of the financial crisis. He argued that the crisis was essentially an act of God, allowing him to invoke the “force majeure,” or extraordinary event, clause, in his contract with the bank. He also demanded that Deutsche Bank instead pay him $3 billion
Deutsche Bank countersued Mr. Trump, demanding repayment of the loan. “This action is an attempt by Donald J. Trump — a self-proclaimed master of negotiation and deal making — to avoid living up to the deal he reached with Deutsche Bank in 2005,” the bank said in a legal filing. “This suit is classic Trump.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/business/dealbook/donald-trump-relationship-bankers.html

This is how schmucks do business.

 

well how do you intend to make that happen?

 

@Sandy Shanks

Don't forget Afghanistan!
Trump promised out
and still in.


Y'think something got to him,
like the corruption of the Warren Commission!
Some generals, Boeing, Lockheed and their bought McCain(s)?


Moi

Thank You President Trump for
Getting tough with ​

 

For sure.......The only way is to activate the other two thirds of the population.
They’ll not change. Texas is a microcosm of many of the red states. It’s not really red, it’s purple. But, it’s deep red at the polls because so few of the others show up.

 

And, you have the distinct advantage of gullible voters who will believe anything. Republicans are sheep who don’t question anything the party does......till they feel real pain. Reasoning is not their strong suit. So, you guys make excellent little soldiers. .

 

This is very true. The idea that Trumps "MAGA" slogan actually refers to helping the worker out is a preposterous fairy tale.

Trump is the elite in the word elitist. He is a eugenics adherent first and foremost. This is why he loves dictators so much.

He believes that strengths and weaknesses in character are dictated by one's genes. Those that are in high places are there (not because they inherited money from Daddy) but because of genetic superiority. Those at the low end of the food chain are there because of genetic inferiority.

Thus - helping the poor would be an affront to the "natural order". It is survival of the fittest and these people are obviously "unfit". Giving these folks a hand up would be to pollute the gene pool with more unfit genes.

Hierarchy in society is the natural outcropping of the gene. Such hierarchy should not be tampered with - especially by the raging unfit masses - as this would be messing with the natural order - the natural tendency of the gene to increase survival chances.

Immigrants - Pollution - keep em out - especially if their skin is a different color.
Poor and middle class - Pollution - extract as much wealth as possible and give to the rich.

Police power -increase it to keep these raging masses at bay
Totalitarianism - love it .. the elite should have power and the worker should not

Almost every one of Trumps actions is explained in relation to his Eugenics ideology - which by the way is also the dominant ideology among the Establishment Elite. Trump is not anti Establishment - he is a full on Establishment wonk.

Eugenics ideology (now renamed - biological determinism) justifies the status quo - justifies hierarchy in society. The hierarchy is the natural outcropping of the gene. Messing with this is messing with the natural order.

Reagan and Maggie Thatcher were prominent adherents of note

 

Since I've been posting excerpts from the NYT article, it's rather pathetic of you to ask if I've read it. You need to improve the program that appears to be generating your posts.

I've offered rebuttal and explanation. Apparently you've just ignored all that.

Tell me one thing Trump has done that is illegal, or is unique to just him.

Hate and fallout from it is not a replacement for facts.

 

I am not going to argue with you. You either read the OP and completely ignored what it said, or you haven't read the OP and you are completely ignorant of the issues.

In any case, you represent the true Trump fan, ignore highly documented reality and invent your own reality. You seem to think you know more that the New York Times, and you also think just saying something makes it true.

In any case, I am not going to waste my time repeating myself, and arguing with someone incapable of accepting reality certainly is a waste of time.

 

By outvoting you people. By not allowing apathy and indecision to cause other people deciding for us. By not repeating the mistakes Americans made in 2016.

It's pretty simple really.

It will start a little less than a month from now when Americans will deny Trump control of the House, possibly the Senate. Congress needs to get back to the checks and balances role as stipulated in the Constitution. Right now, Congress acts like Trump's cheer-leading squad and Trump does whatever he pleases.