Christian bakery wins 'gay cake' ruling from UK supreme court

Outstanding. Religious bigotry and discrimination takes another hit in the courts. Will this begin to get people to actually think about anti religious bigotry? Will the gay community start to realize their wishes cannot infringe on others' rights?


The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom has ruled that Christian owners of a bakery were entitled to refuse to bake a cake that supported same-sex marriage.

Ashers Baking Company, based in Northern Ireland, was taken to court after it declined to take an order at its Belfast branch in 2014 from Gareth Lee, a gay rights activist.

He had wanted the cake to include a slogan that said "support gay marriage" along with a picture of Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street.


Another LGBT setup to attack Christians failed. And now that we have another Constitutional justice here in the US the days of bigotry and intolerance towards Christians are numbered

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/10/christian-bakery-wins-gay-cake-ruling-from-uk-supreme-court.html

 

I am okay with it as long as people can be denied products, services, employment and housing because of their religion. The belief that we were sinners before we were born because a talking snake convinced a naked lady to eat an apple, is no better than the belief that people can love another of the same sex.

 

Thank you for admitting LGBT is a religion/cult not a genetic trait to be equated with proven genetic traits of heterosexuality and race.

The practitioners of this cult won't like your truth but since homosexuality and transgenderism are both proven psychological disorders, its one step closer to actually dealing with their deficiencies rather than pretend they are something they are not.

I salute your honesty.

 

False dichotomy, strawman and laughable silliness - all in one post ! Homosexuality is genetic. Religious fanaticism is not.

 

Neither is genetic. You make be born with a predisposition but that doesn’t make you gay, it’s a choice that does that. Not that I personally care what people do when it doesn’t affect me in the least.

I’m not religious but the modern lefts religious intolerance (unless it’s Islam of course) is revolting.

Also, the Bible never says you are born a sinner, it says that all men sin and its true, don’t really think that can be disputed.

 

So a man walks into a bar - sits at a table and wants to order some food. The waitress tells him they have a buffet today. Man says " Sounds Good" and saunters up to the buffet.

He see's the buffet is full of fruit. Two types of fruit he has never tried before and he puts a piece of both on his plate - one is an grape and one is a mango.

He tries the grape - he likes the grape. He tries the mango - he doesn't like the mango. When he goes back for more he takes more grapes but not more mango.

What is his personal preference based on ? Genetics of course. The man did not choose not to like the mango. It looked really good - he wanted to like the mango but when he tasted it he found he just didn't like it.

It is the same for personal preference in a mate. When one looks out into the world - one does not choose to be attracted to one person over another .. they just are. It is not a choice. You are either sexually attracted to another person or you are not. There is no choosing.

Lastly - Predisposition is not choice - it is genetics by definition ... as in genetic predisposition.

 

Thread insta-win.

 

Wow.

So much bad information.

Impressive!

 

I agree that there's much silliness - to be kind - but homosexuality may or may not be genetic depending on the person, and the same may be true of religious belief.

 

Both may or may not have various degrees of genetic influence depending on the person.

 

No. Not for everyone. It depends.

 

Does anybody see parallels between the Christian bakery in the right to refuse service to gays and online media platforms like Facebook, Twitter, or other online platforms refusing service to conservative political voices along with supporters of free speech?

I bet they utilized the same supreme court ruling of the Christian bakery for their own favor in broad daylight while a majority was unaware concerning the internet as a whole. If so, very extremely sneaky.....

Somebody should look and research into that to see if the same supreme court ruling or legislation was utilized for censorship of the internet.

 

Perhaps, but I see it as more of environment and choice more so than genetics. If it were genetics it very much seems as though those genes would be short lived as homosexuals have fewer children.

 

No, not least because this ruling specifically isn’t about a right to refuse to serve homosexuals, it was a ruling that the bakery in this case wasn’t discriminating on grounds of orientation at all. Also, online platforms aren’t refusing to serve conservatives either, they’ve just removed accounts which repeatedly break their terms and conditions.

This ruling has absolutely zero impact on anything in relation to internet services. You’re just making stuff up.

 

Perhaps it would be best to discuss the actual law here. The question is, does your freedom of speech require me as a business to ignore my deeply held personal beliefs. In this case, the belief was religious. So, the real question is, if I choose to not engage in business with another because they have asked me to violate my personally held beliefs, can government then step in to force me to do so.

For my conservative friends here, ask yourself the question that way. For our liberal members, ask yourselves that question as well.

Let me change facts slightly. If I'm an NRA member, and I'd like my gay baker to make a cake for me decorated with sloganeering that celebrates the desire to own and use semi automatic weapons, can my gay baker refuse to do so? Do I, as an NRA member then, have the recourse of going to government to force my gay baker to decorate my cake to my specs? Change the facts slightly again. If I'm a gay muslim, and I walk into a kosher deli, can I force the kosher deli to make me deli that is hallal? Even though they are kosher?

Where does it stop? Can I ask my favorite clothing designer to add a slogan to my Tom Ford tuxedo demanding the exit of England from the EU?

Where does it end then? I will simply ask this. Why should I be able to force my expectations on anyone else? The market is the market. Can I force a university to teach a class just for me that focuses on religious evangelicalism? If they refuse, I can take them to court and force them to do so?

Where does it end?

 

#1 Your labels mean nothing.

#2 There is zero evidence for your claim. If you want to try this path by all means present your evidence. I've lost count how many times I've debunked people just like you who pull this anti science cultist belief.

 

Says the guy who runs from actually discussing the facts. Par for the course.

 

birthday cakes have a sexual orientation.

 

He wouldn't make that cake for anyone, so I don't see how that is discrimination.

 

For anyone not supporting this decision, just one question. If a Muslim bakery refused to bake a gay themed wedding cake due to religious reasons, would you be okay with the government forcing said Muslim to bake that cake?

This isn't about refusing to serve gay people cakes, this is about forcing a religious person to bake a cake depicting acts (two men holding hands for example) that their religion is against. Very big difference.

 

Perhaps there are exceptions - like in prison where it is about power but in general it is genetic.

What does liking grapes over mango depend on - if not genetics ?

 

The issue was not the baking or the selling of a cake. The issue was forcing the baker to create art, unique art, depicting something he disagrees with.

You can not discriminate on the basis of sexual preference - as a business in general - selling a cake that was off the shelf for example.

You can however decide not to provide a specialized service involving the creation of art that you disagree with.

 

I saw a study on the causes of lesbianism. 15% of lesbians received a high amount of male hormones while in the uterus. Scientists believe that probably changed their sexual preference. They have no concrete explanation for the other 85%. Genetics? Environment? Both?

This is not a passionate topic for me. I really don’t care. But it is interesting.

 

They do no such thing. I see conservatives bashed liberals all the time on FB. That and the endless fake news conservative blogs. Quit posting false information.

 

If you are in a business of service, then you better damn well serve! Refusal of service is dumb and will cost you money in the long run.