Is this analysis of the probable long term effects of climate change logical?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well for one thing...... living only a hundred miles from the Bay of Fundy causes the whole question to look different than it might from further inland?

    For the record..... If I have made any significant error in the theory that I present over here.... you would be doing me a big favour to let me know clearly what that error is........... because I may be debating this at a pretty high level soon.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ser-or-m-p-bill-casey.539570/#post-1069489904


     
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    How many feet above sea level are you ??
     
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    The road that I travel on to work is only about one meter above sea level.......
    but our house is about ten meters above sea level.......
    but I am not worried about where I life.... I am worried about the Bay of Fundy and all who own land or homes there......



    Anchorage Alaska has the second highest tides in North America, (if not in the world) right behind the eastern part of the Bay of Fundy....
     
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    Congratulations. You are safe for 30 centuries.
     
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    I truly would love it if you were correct...........
    but I genuinely don't think so...... the graphs on how significant the warming is up north just simply has too
    serious a set of implications for the land based Greenland ice pack.

    I am worried that the methane is already starting to be released from the permafrost.... exactly as AboveAlpha warned us would happen.
     
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    Sea level rise has been occurring at the same rate of ~ 1 ft per century for decades as the global average temperature has increased. The release and capture of methane from ice has been going on for millions of years.
     
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    Global warming is fueled from concrete and asphalt, not coal.
     
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    Ice does not contain Methane though it can be frozen in sediments and permafrost. It is now being released as Ices melt but not FROM the Ice...which is H2O.

     
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    Methane clathrate
     
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    <sigh> How do you think the methane got there? When it thaws, it becomes a carbon sink through plant activity, that's how.
     
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    Yes.......
    but for the moment it is causing some rapid warming in the Arctic..... which is bad news when it leads to rapid melting on the land based Greenland Ice Pack.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ion-to-ask-god.438123/page-14#post-1067150389

    My best guess is that it is the Methane being released that is causing this result:


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    But I do think that there is a better response than a Carbon Tax...


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    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/534996/megascale-desalination/

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    The world’s largest and cheapest reverse-osmosis desalination plant is up and running in Israel.


     
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    Global warming does not occur locally.
     
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    Global finance is irrelevant considering humans cannot even agree this is a problem, let alone do anything about it. Any money spent at this point will be the piecemeal local infrastructure attempts at protection and adaptation we see already happening. This will become far more intense and expensive in the coming decades.
     
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    Air conditioning technology will produce less inexpensive cooling.

    What "piecemeal local infrastructure attempts at protection and adaptation" are you talking about ??

    Did you see this from Harvard researchers ??

    https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2...res-are-helping-corn-production-in-us-for-now
     
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    Air conditioning technology will produce less inexpensive cooling.

    What "piecemeal local infrastructure attempts at protection and adaptation" are you talking about ??
     
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    Golly....storms? Interesting if inaccurate.
     
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    You didn't read your links ?? Storm surge is the major factor.

    Oh and BTW Venice is sinking.
     
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    But.... if AboveAlpha was correct that the releasing of massive amounts of METHANE from
    the Arctic perma-frost as it melts......... will have far, far, far, far, far more of an insulation effect
    than atmospheric CO2 then.......... while the concentration of METHANE in the Arctic is still relatively high
    it does seem logical that Warming could occurr in the Arctic at a much more rapid rate than in other areas.

    Once the METHANE disperses into the entire world atmosphere......
    then we are likely to have much more of a Greenhouse Effect than we have
    seen so far?!

    I do have a theory on how the negative effects can perhaps be minimized though:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ed-to-wall-at-langley.545027/#post-1069845212
     
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    Okay....I will attempt to explain this to you: Storm surge is what happens when a storm off shore blows winds toward a shore line over time which pushes ocean levels higher in that direction. If ocean levels are higher and water is warmer then storms become more powerful as a result and storm surge more extreme. If atmosphere and water temperature increase storms do so as well so this all gets tied into the climate change equation.
     
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    Over what period of time will this "massive release" take place ??
     
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    Ocean levels are increasing at a rate of ~ 0.1 inch per year which is ~ 1 inch per decade which is ~ 1 foot per century (and no that rate is not accelerating). What is happening to Miami is related to wind and not global warming. Models predict more intense storms but that has not been the case.
     
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    Obviously you have your own data and understanding of climate, Mine differs and we will not agree. It does not really matter regardless so.

    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    I have accurate data and a clear understanding of global warming.
     
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