Democrats won the House, but Trump won the election

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  1. Josephwalker

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    No blue wave that's for sure and the projected wins in the governor races for Democrats also failed to materialize. Democrats underperformed and Republicans over performed in this election and the referendum on trump broke in his favor.

    "While Tuesday night was not a complete win for Republicans, there was no blue wave, either. By most measures, Republicans beat the odds of history and nearly everyone’s expectations, while Democrats were left disappointed as the fantasy of Beto O’Rourke, Andrew Gillum, Stacey Abrams and others winning fizzled. Not one new progressive Democrat was successful bursting onto the scene. It will take a few days to process the meaning of this year’s election returns, but the instant analysis is clear: Democrats may have won the House, but Trump won the election."
    "Democrats have underperformed in comparison with the historical markers and general expectations of a midterm cycle. The president’s party loses 37 seats in the House on average in midterm elections when his approval is below 50 percent — but Democrats aren’t projected to pick up nearly that many seats. No liberal will want to admit it, but Trump is an asset to the Republican Party, while President Barack Obama was a disaster for the Democratic Party."

    Let the message be clear: Voters had a chance to repudiate Trump and they did not.
    Much of the commentariat has said this year’s elections are about who we are as a country and what America is all about. Well, a lot of America seems to be about supporting Trump. The Democrats thought Trump’s negatives would be enough to propel them to victory. The 2018 results show it is clear they need a different plan if they think they can win in 2020."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...rump-won-the-election/?utm_term=.797c13b462db
     
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    Thoughts....
    First, loss in house seats, which is typical for a mid-term fell far short of predecessors, or the norms.
    Obama lost 63 house seats and 6 senate seats at the same point. Clinton lost 54 and 9. Even Reagan lost 26 house seats.
    Thus- as a referendum on Trump, it is hardly negative. Throw in that the democrats benefited from more money (coming from the special interests they have always said they abhor) than at any election in history, and it still wasn't enough to create a blue wave. This was a $5 billion dollar election, I would say $4 billion of that was waste. .

    Worst result is that given the conflicts between a now Dem house and a now stronger Rep senate, obstruction will continue to be the name of the game. It's like a bus coming to an intersection of roads with a load of people who are so argumentative and short sighted that they can't agree on any course, so they just sit and fight. That is not serving the country or the people- it's stupidity. Going nowhere is not an objective, that is failure, and as usual- Congress deserves that label While people talk about Trumps popularity, they should remember that he is far above the popularity of congress.

    While most individual voters often think only of their immediate and personal preferences, wise ones also look to the future, think of what is needed to enable national progress. One has to wonder how we as a people continue to elect so many incompetents to congress, and we always do. We have people doing well in this election that wouldn't have been given 5% of the votes 50 years ago- but then, we had a far more stable and responsible citizenry 50 years ago. Myopia- or near sighted vision is a problem not only for the politicians, but for voters. Had the house balance strengthened for Trump, the nation would be moving solidly, locking in the successes already achieved and gaining new ones.

    The president has done great things, for the first time in decades we see how effective strong leadership can be- and in this case, even with gridlock and a congress where most of the people are afraid to blow their nose without checking which way the wind is blowing at the moment. Trump may be abrasive, outspoken and sometimes rude- but he has the vision, the strength, the courage, and the nads to do the job, setting records even when it's an uphill battle full of obstructionists. That separates him from most of the presidents in history; it is something voters have said we needed for decades. Sadly, now that we have it, the voters lack the vision, the strength, the courage and the nads to fully back him up.

    As always, it comes back to the voters- the more of us who are unwilling to think for ourselves, unwilling to do for ourselves but willing to buy promises that can never come true, willing to listen to fears that have been fabricated to intimidate and influence us, the lower our quality of life will be. Strong people backing strong leadership can handle anything- but we need both. We are at a crossroads of sorts, with great opportunity waiting for us to rise to the challenge. Trump is up to the job..... too many of us are not.
     
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    ...okay...so why has he lost the house? If that's true then surely he would have retained it?
    Seems to me like its just some great clusterfcuk now and nothing will get done other than more spinning and more tweeting about spinning. Maybe now he'll employ people with a bit talent and not just yes men and who possess a wee bit of nouse.

    whaaat???...that's democracy isn't it people making up their own minds no matter what their IQ or motivation!!?? Or are you advocating some form of junta with a Trump at the top....is that what you think the US needs? Some form of autocratic mafia style Putinesque government!!??

    oh deary me...what a pathetic indictment of your countrymen and their aspirations....jeez get a life
     
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    Trump has never won the will of the people.

    He didn’t during his election.
    He didn’t during this election.
    He won’t during the next election.
     
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    Trump hardly won anything. All of his life he has never had to answer to any one for any thing. I'm sure he's going to have a large degree of difficulty with the constraints the House is going to put on him. Most notable is no matter what trump does to Jeff Sessions there's nothing trump can now do about Mueller. He's not going to like being told 'no'.
     
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    The problem is that Trump was sold as a movement...like the Tea Party.

    Grass roots nationalism that was going to sweep the world.

    Trump has a very unproductive year 1. The GOP Congress rejected Trump more that the Democrats did.

    With Trump losing the House effectively makes him a lame duck.

    If Trump wants anything done on immigration, then he will have to work with Nancy Pelosi.

    If Trump wants to do anything on Obamacare...he has to deal with Nancy.

    2nd tax cut for the middle class...for get about it.

    You should have got things done when you were a majority. Too much wasted time playing with NK and China and Iran and EU.

    So much wasted time.
     
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    Pretty much.

    Trump & Trumpism are an ugly blight, but a brief and fading phenomenon.

    On to the new blights! :gop: :spin: :democrat:
     
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    And that comment does not even deserve a response- it indicates to me that you don't understand any of this. You wear your tinfoil hat with pride.
     
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    "Let the message be clear: Voters had a chance to repudiate Trump and they did not."
     
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    None of that was going anywhere anyway; the oligarchy doesn't want it.
     
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    And so much more accomplished than the last 25 years of wasted time. Sadly, congress knows more about gridlock than any other entity in the world- they can waste more money, more breath and time and get less done than any other establishment of any kind. It's like they think their real job consists of talking ideas to death, then passing the corpse to society and claiming they did something good. Small children can do that.
     
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    Not yet.

    A slow blue tide, not a wave.

    But it's all a farce, so meh.
     
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    63 million voters disagree with you
    65 million (inclusive of 3 million illegal cali votes up for debate) do

    although very narrow, it was a clear victory for trump, so please stop discounting the 63 million of us... thank you in advance
     
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    Even the blue tide failed in governor races and the Senate. The congressional win was built in and even there democrats failed to do better than average in this midterm scenario.
     
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    "winning the election" is meaningless If Trump is now ham-stringed by Nancy Pelosi.
     
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    There is no such thing as a built in win.
     
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    historically , the resident prez loses both the house & senate, no news there, what is noteworthy is the gain of seats in the senate, that is very rare, in the last 22 midterms it only happened 5 times, add that to the fact that the seats gained in the house by the dems falls at just above average in the same time period... hardly a 'wave' & , for the most part, a victory for the repubs...
     
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    It was as built in as you get in politics and if democrats had failed to take congress it would have been a republican revolution part two.
     
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    Trump has been claiming a revolution since day one. ...Every loss is massive.

    No win is a give.
     
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    Yeah he was appointed by Russian Boogeymen right?
     
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    Trump's agenda is pretty much done as far as congress goes and his financial policies that are paying off so handsomely are in place. At this point it's about the Senate and judges and Republicans are picking up seats there as we speak.
     
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    Michigan has a Democratic Governor.
    Ohio has a Democratic Senator.
    Pennsylvania has both a Democratic Governor and Senator
    Wisconsin now has a Democratic Governor
    Dems now control the House and the GOP picked up a total net gain of two Senate seats.

    This was more of a “keep a close eye” on Trump than it was approving him.

    Nice sympathy piece by the Post for the GOP though.

    Also, progressive darlings Elizabeth Warren won in Massachusetts, and Cortez in New York.
     
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    Early exit poll results suggest that President Donald Trump was a factor that significantly affected voting for the House of Representatives in the 2018 midterm elections. Nearly two-thirds of those voters said Mr. Trump was a factor. One quarter of those casting a House ballot said they did so in part to support him. Four in 10 said they cast a vote to oppose him. Only one-third said he played no role in their voting.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/exit-p...rm-election-voting/?wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1
     
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    There was several key states democrats we're counting on for governer wins and that didn't happen. In fact the reverse happened and democrats barely met the average for congressional victories in midterms.

    MADISON, Wis. -- Republicans swept governor's races across the country Tuesday, holding on to control of key swing states like Florida, Michigan and Ohio and scoring upsets in Democratic bastions like Maryland, Massachusetts and Illinois. Among the victors was Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, a conservative darling who won his third election in four years"

    https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20141105/news/141109189/
     
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    What about all of those Democrats who ran for Congress and got elected last night who ran on a platform that they wouldn't vote for Nancy Pelosi to be the Speaker of the House ?
     
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