Is this analysis of the probable long term effects of climate change logical?

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...neat....
     
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    Do you understand the benefits of global warming ??
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some of them...as well as the negatives. I just do not believe additional cropland compensates for the detriments.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The data proves you wrong. But those facts are irrelevant to those who worship the alarmism of global warming.

    https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2...res-are-helping-corn-production-in-us-for-now
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I can only assume you did not read or understand your link.
    "Our research shows that improvements in crop yield depend, in part, on improvements in climate,” said Peter Huybers, Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences in the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences (EPS) and of Environmental Science and Engineering at the Harvard John A. Paulson School of Engineering and Applied Sciences (SEAS). “In this case, changing temperatures have had a beneficial impact on agricultural production, but there is no guarantee that benefit will last as the climate continues to change. Understanding the detailed relationships between climate and crop yield is important as we move towards feeding a growing population on a changing planet.”

    The data proves nothing about my commentary.
     
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    The data shows that as the globe warms agricultural output increases and the fields self cool. There is no reason to believe that this trend will not continue. More arable land will open up globally and food output will increase with minimal downside due to self cooling of the fields.

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    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2018/10/31/1808035115#sec-3

    The data and common sense (see the above quote from the actual paper) show that you are wrong in your belief that there will be greater harm than benefit from global warming. What do you base that belief on ??
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Primarily because of increased storm activity, Desertification, ocean temperature and atmospheric temperature increase, Sea level, Methane release from permafrost/sediments, Ocean Albedo changes at the poles, Ice melt opening the northeast passage, glacial thinning in Antarctica, Atmospheric chemical changes....etc....
     
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    As I suspected - you have nothing. Too funny.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    Have an alarmist day. Being an alarmist you never have to quantify anything. All that is required is to show alarm. BTW the IPCC does NOT predict increased major storm frequency. They predict increased storm intensity but that has not been the case.
     
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    And yet you've been unable to ever post such data. You've only been able to post cherrypicks and red herrings that don't prove the point you claim they do. For example, your corn data is dumb.

    First, the science says corn production will decline IN THE FUTURE. You point out that it has grown in the past to refute that. That doesn't make any sense, as nobody has argued that corn production hasn't grown in the past.

    Your source doesn't say days are cooler. It says the way corn is grown now has caused the fields to be cooler. It says that humans have adjusted to the climate better, which is very different from your claim that the climate has increased production.

    You rarely seem to understand what your sources actually say. You see them on a conspiracy blog, they told you it settles things, and you believe.

    Better luck next time with trying to foist your religious views off on people. Don't worry, you've still got your hysteria, scare tactics, alarmism and conspiracy theories to chant as mantras. Understand it doesn't really matter, because the rational people are just ignoring you.
     
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    Do the required reading (I’ve given you the titles) and educate yourself.
     
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    I know a bit about growing corn (and other edibles). Your information is not incorrect. Of course it’s cliff note version but nobody really cares about the details anyway, right?

    Although nobody really knows what changes a warming earth will bring, the predictions so far put forth strongly favor an increase in crop yields. There are a couple factors that would have slight negative impacts on yields (increased nighttime temps and possibly more cloud cover) but they are far outweighed by increased precipitation, more growing degree days per season, increased CO2 levels making photosynthesis more efficient (especially in certain plant species), and increased potential for double or relay cropping within each crop season.

    This is assuming static genetics. Add in huge potential for genetically modified crops and yields will have more positive yield response. We are on the edge of an exponential explosion of crop potential based on gene manipulation/engineering. If people really needed fed, the regulations that hold technology back could be relaxed and change could happen rapidly.

    The more I study this issue the more convinced I am that the fear of starvation from climate change is irrational.
     
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    Increasing yields are happening because warming extends growing seasons. The natural cooling effects of plant mitigates the increased temperatures. And you are correct - GM foods will be more heat tolerant & require less water, pesticides, and fertilizer. It's absolutely rational to be very optimistic for the human race to be able to successfully adapt to anything local situation resulting from global warming.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-warming-climate-brings-new-crops-to-frigid-zones-1543168786

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamest...reating-perfect-crop-conditions/#199e61d72934

    https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2...res-are-helping-corn-production-in-us-for-now
     
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    I find the following video to be profoundly encouraging information:

    https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157054362515786&id=636665785&hc_location=ufi
     
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    If you’ll allow me a cheesy pun, the “dirty” secret is the warmists don’t want solutions. If they did they would quit the “studying” of the problem and devote resources to solutions.

    They intend to milk this cash cow for money and political capital in perpetuity. Solutions are the last thing they want.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have never, and I mean NEVER stopped them from managing climate. They think they can do it, so I welcome them to try.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Attempted "Solutions" are regularly tried and fought tooth and nail....remember Kyoto or Paris. It is all too little too late and trying to treat amputation with a band aid.
     
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    Those aren’t solutions. Were never intended to be.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see....so what were they? Why did so many nations and scientists create a climate conference to make them?

    Let me guess...it was all a plot to get money.
     
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    Not just money. Climate conference is similar to the UN. It gives people a sense of importance or significance. It provides a place where everyone can virtue signal by coming up with schemes that are either politically impossible to implement, economically unviable, or plain ineffective and be congratulated all around for doing so.

    Mind you, I’m what you might call a “real environmentalist”.
     
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    …..Uh...Okay.

    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    Thanks. You too. This next week I get started with my seasonal massive carbon sequestration efforts! I can’t wait. It’s my favorite time of year.
     
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    I hope your "Green" tomatoes are a great success.
     
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    The Tomatoes aren’t my department. But my success allows you to spend less of your income on food than anyone in the history of the world!
     

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