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    not2serious Is correct and you are wrong

    Our lib education system is in deep trouble due to liberal incompetence
     
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    Mac...please explain what exactly you're talking about. Define liberal incompetence as you understand it.
     
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    We are turning out very few world class students as international tests in math and science prove

    This is an education failure that begins early in life
     
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    Liberal incompetence or the rediculous interfearance from Bush GOP programs ? To say education is liberal is hyperbole
    Conservatives don’t believe in education at all. The biggest block to education is the cost. Most kids go through high school realizing they can’t afford college.
     
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    This is a topic that should be on its own thread, but ...
    You're stating an opinion if very, very broad terms that reflect a media based understanding of education. If you think our system is failing, please explain why it's failing.
     
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    You’re complaining about test scores in math and science ?
    The GOP applauds ignorance. That’s where most of their support comes from. You want to really promote education ? Make public colleges tuition free. It will cost an aircraft carrier.
     
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    Expect an answer like....” if you don’t know, I don’t have time to tell you,”
     
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    You are correct, but it goes well beyond that. It's pretty much all federal programs that cause problems in education. If the government steps in with a one-size-fits-all solution, then we make the problems worse. That has been the Democratic approach for a long time. If the government steps out of the picture and hands education over to the profiteers, then we make the problems worse. That has been the Republican approach for a long time. Neither of those is helpful because they approach the problems for the perspective of past fantasy world and don't address the changing cultural landscape of the present and future.
     
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    Our lib education system is in deep trouble due to liberal ......?
    What makes it liberal ? Facts and evidence ?
     
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    That's about right. I don't want to change the topic of the thread, but when people talk about education, they usually know very little other than what they heard or read in their chosen media.

    No one seems able or willing to explain what the test scores really tell us, how the data is collected, how valid it is, and what it actually means as far as being educated. Most critics start with the assumption that teachers are incompetent, but can't say in what ways because they have no experience as an educator. The fact that people answer in ways that don't address the question suggests a general lack of language and reading skills. That's a serious problem in education. Always has been.
     
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    You are correct....let me add though, problems in education are not just one dimensional. As much as any factor support at home is as important as anything. There is little support from parents to do well in school when you realize two things. First, a college degree has become as mandatory for employment with higher pay as a HS education used to be. Secondly, how supportive are parents in their kids education at lower levels when they realize a college degree is as expensive as buying a new house.

    Does throwing money at education solve all the problems ? Let’s answer it this way. If conservatives are willing to throw money at the military and throw money into the coffers of businesses in the form of tax breaks and grants, let’s throw some into college tuition first.

    If colleges is within reach of everyone, IMO, parents will be more demanding of their kids and more willing to support education st the lower levels.
    If my children didn’t do well in school, I didn’t bitch and complain about their teachers, I looked in the mirror,
     
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    The lib education system was in decline before and after bush

    College is expensive and whose fault is that?

    Liberal educators who run the universities make too much money and work too little
     
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    The results that liberal educators are getting speak for themselves

    Education is a ripoff
     
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    America should be number one in math and science but liberal educators are failure our children
     
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    Yes. And before we say more, we must decide what we want as far as education. The three R's will get you a job. But is that all education is for? If that's true, there is no need for History/Social Studies, Science, and so forth. There is no need to go beyond the 8th grade. At the same time, does a Bachelor's or higher degree really mean anything anymore? Can we branch out high schools into college level course as well as vocational and technical courses? How important are social sciences? Is a "broad" education helpful in life? In that sense, what does a "good education" mean?
     
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    But you're not answering any questions. You're just offering a very broad and unsupported opinion. Both parties have convinced much of the public they have the answers, yet none seem to be able to go beyond the broadest talking points. In other words, most people have no clue what they're talking about when they complain about education.
     
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    College is expensive because it’s a business and everything is more expensive.
    You keep talking about liberals running colleges.
    Do you know what makes people more liberal ? A good education. If you are taught the scientific method and apply it to governance, the law and economics, you throw away trickle down economics and practice informed democracy without voter suppression, and approach immigration comprehensively .
    Conservatives pride themselves on individuality. That’s fine...but it still takes team work and societal constructs for the country to succeed, .
     
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    Education is dominated by liberals from pre school to post graduate
     
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    State the definition of liberal in the non political sense. Do it....then you’ll see why education has more liberals in it.
    If you don’t like your child’s education, look in the mirror. You may be the real culprit.
     
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    I keep up with the news but obviously you dont

    The international test results are a very bad report card for liberal education

    Also the complaints of colleges that so many kids graduating HS are not ready for college and need remedial education

    Or the need for foreigners under the H1b program to make up for our poor education system
     
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    College is overpriced because the liberal academics ars not spending money wisely since its not their money
     
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    So two days of no caravan outrage after many daily out bursts. What a surprise
     
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    Modern liberals tend to be big government socialists and sexual hedonists and increasingly globalust
     
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    I asked you to state the non political definition of liberal. You didn’t even do that.

    Try again. This time, look it up in a dictionary instead of relying on Fox News.
    If you can’t agree with us on the meanings of simple words.....
    You’re just trolling.
     
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    When was the last time you were on a college campus ?
     
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