5 off duty cops were at Ventura bar shooting...all unarmed.

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Very few

    Gee you are regurgitating the NRA myths and memes today eh?

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    Yeah because I love reading cherry picked ****

    Statistics

    Post some verified stats and not by the debunked Gary Klerk please
     
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    Incidents that occur within the home and involve a family member do not quality as being a mass shooting.
     
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    Really? Then Australia, what you would call the ultimate gun free zone, has not had a mass shooting for over 22 years
     
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    Correct. It is intellectually dishonest to classify incidents within the home as mass shootings, in order to include them among the total count for the purpose of trying to dilute the number that occur in public, in locations where the legal possession of firearms is prohibited by law. It is nothing more than an effort at trying to hide the fact that those who commit mass shootings specifically seek out locations where individuals cannot fight back, and where they face no risk of being shot in return.

    And yet it was admitted by yourself that there is a constant importing of firearms into the country, suggesting there is significant demand in the nation of Australia for firearms at any cost. That matter aside, the handguns that are still legally accessible in the nation of Australia, are of the type most commonly utilized for the purpose of committing a mass shooting. The only reason such an incident has not occurred is because of the people of the culture, not the lack of appropriate and suitable firearms. If one knew what they were doing it would be possible to commit a successful mass shooting with nothing but a double-barreled shotgun.
     
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    There are exceptions to the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, however places that serve alcohol is not one of those exceptions. The only two exceptions are restrictions established by the private property owner, and restrictions established under federal law.
    It is true that there are restrictions on carrying while consuming alcohol (in contrast to merely being in a location that serves alcohol), however this is an example of a restriction established under federal law. If you are a police officers, or a qualified retired police officer, you not restricted from carrying in places that serve alcohol, unless established by the property owner (which is true in any state). Plainly put, your claim is inaccurate
     
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    Although LEOSA preempts state and local laws, there are two notable exceptions: "the laws of any State that (1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property" (such as a bars, private clubs, amusement parks, etc.), or "(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park"[1][10][11][12] Additionally, LEOSA does not override the federal Gun-Free School Zone Act (GFSZA) which prohibits carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of elementary or secondary schools. Although the GFSZA authorizes on-duty law enforcement officers to carry firearms in such circumstances, off-duty and retired law enforcement officers are still restricted from doing so unless they have a firearms license issued from the state in which they reside and then it is only good for the state in which they reside.[13] Individuals must also obey any federal laws and federal agency policies that restrict the carrying of concealed firearms in certain federal buildings and lands, as well as federal regulations prohibiting the carriage of firearms on airplanes.[12]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enforcement_Officers_Safety_Act

    So they could not drink and carry, and they could not have a firearm in the bar.

    Cops cant CCW at disneyland either.

    There were several cops there, and reports some took bullets to protect the crowd.

    Kinda odd that none were carrying, no?

    Care to retract your statement?
     
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    Best of luck to you
     
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    Really? Ask the FBI agent recently indicted in Colorado whether carrying a firearm into a bar is a good idea.
     
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    You mean like the officer who died yesterday? The trained officer who was wearing a vest?

    Survivor? Only because you weren't there in the first place.
     
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    if he has a lot of ammo, he will pump a round in each body walking by, just to make sure they are finished:skull: off laying on the ground
     
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    the officer was a easy target because the shooting was about over victims finished off by the time they arrived, so he was waiting for them to come in the front door a easy ambush
     
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    And?

    Cop knew he was in there. Cop knew he was armed. Cop went in ready. Armed and wearing protection. Cop Died.

    The shooter here, lest we forget, was a trained marine. I'm pretty sure you're "zig-zag" is going to turn into nothing but a "body bag."
     
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    %'s are about 50 /50 he would able to take me out:tombstone::skull: yes, but add one other guy zig zaging towards him with me then the odds are in our favor we can get his gun away from him and turn the barrel around and put a 45 slug in his brain:headache:
     
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    Seems like an obvious choice. Your odds of survival with a gun are 50/50, your odds of survival without a gun are 0. My two best friends in that situation are Smith and Wesson.
     
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    Okay seriously, what did I just say?

    Note that this is true in any state, the only two exceptions to the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act are the restrictions established by either the property owner, or the federal government. The state of California does not have the authority to overrule the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act. Your claim is downright false, California law does not have the authority to restrict those officers from carrying in that bar, only the private property owner(the property doesn't have to be a bar), or the restrictions established by the federal government do.

    In other words, only the bar owner, or the federal government (in contrast to the state of California) would have the authority to restrict those officers from carry in that location. The same is true in every other state. It's almost as if you wrote your reply without reading or understanding my post
     
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    Really?

    There were several hundred people who survived WITHOUT a gun. The two guys with guns prior to the arrival of SWAT? DEAD.

    Seems those pesky facts crush your fantasies.
     
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    Well then, find yourself an active shooter and "zig-zag" your way in there.

    I'll take pleasure in pointing out the stupidity of your actions.
     
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    They couldn't fight back, and were killed.

    Why wash your hair?

    I'ts just going to get dirty again.
     
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    No link and the quote is filled with weasel language.
     
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    Those aren't from Breitbart, those stories are from local news outlets. try actually reading some of them, be bold.
     
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    Private residences? Oh my I'll bet your chart is including suicides.
     
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    It's all guess work, nothing more.
     
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    As is life and existence in general. There are no guarantees of anything.
     
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    Every situation will be different. The customer in the shop concealed carry thought he could stop the gunman, unbeknown to him there were two. So whether bystanders are armed or not, it's just all speculation guns at the scene will stop a massacre. As in the current massacre, bring up against a trained marine, a trained armed copper was no match.

    Whether gun free zone or not, nutters will continue to undertake massacres. But why not in Australia and the UK? And all American's can do is simply default back to the 2nd Amendment and freedom crap.

    The pro gunners only arguement is, "Get off my guns, I like guns".
     
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