Whats wrong with racism?

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    It mostly has to do with the level of education.
     
  2. LangleyMan

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    I taught high school students and adults for decades. There's plenty of closed minds across the politicsl spectrum.
     
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    This man is a local doctor. He is an OB/GYN who has delivered many babies. I've heard several of his patients speak highly of him.
    His wife is an English professor. She taught at the junior college I attended, but I never had any classes with her.
    The nurse is also a teacher. She was one of my instructors in the nursing program.
    They are all from Nigeria. Very intelligent, college educated people.
     
  4. Belch

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    Education only provides a small increase in IQ from between 1 to 5 points, and even that is a dubious claim because intelligent people will generally stay in school longer, so it could just be a correlation with intelligence, rather than education.
     
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    What about Hungarians?
     
  6. LangleyMan

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    I'm assuming the people aren't malnourished, diseased, or traumatized by war. If those factors aren't taken into account, there's no conclusion to be drawn from the results of testing.
     
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    Yeah well, that's also a problem with intelligence. You gotta know about agriculture. It's nothing new, but there are still people out there too stupid to figure out how to plant a cabbage.

    Understand, there are people out there that would still be in the stone age if not for intelligent people. Hell, the indians were still living in the stone age when the pilgrims showed up with a bible in one hand and a musket in the other.

    Hey, if you grow up in a place where you have to think ahead or die, that kills off the stupidos. It's good for the gene pool to have to figure stuff out. Then there are places where all you need to do is figure out how to grab a banana out of a tree. Intelligence is not particularly necessary for those guys. so it's like... hey, you don't need to know how to plant a cabbage. Intelligence is not selected for them.
     
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    The civilizations in the Americas were more advanced than you think, some cities in the south boasted millions of people, and had complex agricultural practices that were largely wiped out after Europeans conquered the lands and dominated the social hierarchy. And Europeans largely were able to do such, because they got extremely lucky and capitalized off of preexisting rivalries between empires and tribes in the Americas.

    Blatant support for implementing Social Darwinist policies, which purposefully drive people to near death in order to achieve some kind of pseudo-scientific outcome where the population is improved. What's good for the gene pool is healthy people living in a society, where they can choose who they want to mate with, and Social Darwinism would not stop poor people from reproducing and it would do nothing to alleviate their conditions thus doing nothing to improve the gene pool, except more dead people who could have lived otherwise under a different economic system.

    Most places on Earth had gotten past the hunter gatherer period, and Native American societies were in some places where it could be sustained, vast agricultural mega empires, and in others more small scale agricultural production but still not as simple as picking a banana.

    You're giving far too much credit to the alleged intelligence of Europeans in the past who perpetrated this imperial domination on the world. Luck and religious fanaticism mixed with greed and power politics is what gave Europe its position, and that position held up until now but Europe is now in decline after centuries of hubris and fables of superiority.

    Cabbage is pretty easy, but its introduction in the new world replaced the traditional crops which were then only maintained by the poorest and more remote native Americans. Its not like they were too stupid to domesticate plants and create agricultural societies, they did, they just did it in such a way that when the Spanish and other Europeans showed up they completely obliterated the preexisting production of agriculture in order to plant European imports which were favored by the new dominant Imperial ruling classes.
     
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    Oh sure, there was agriculture in the Americas. They were still in the stone age, but they had gotten to the agriculture part.


    wut?

    I guess your dead people didn't come up with a different economic system, so.... dead. Thankfully, we have capitalism.


    still in the stone age.


    Superior cultures are not due to luck. They are due to intelligence produced by snow. In the grasshopper and ant, story, the ant dies.
     
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    They built giant megalopolises, and had knowledge of basic metallurgy but never developed it for cultural reasons.

    Capitalism as it exists today is not utterly Social Darwinistic, this was attempted in the late 19th and early 20th Century but became almost extinct after the calamities of the Great Depression.

    Keep telling yourself they were some primitive dummies. They were ignorant of reality and had nothing but culture like the rest of humanity, but their civilization would have awed you.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science...xican-city-had-as-many-buildings-as-manhattan

    Luck is always a big part of success in reality, to deny this is the height of delusional grandeur.

    What an intelligent theory.
     
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    The dutch are germanic.

    As you said, its about making money. Eastern germans realized what power they have. For 20 years or so they accepted alot of rubbish, that ended. Thsy bote far right, smash the system and threaten to destroy western owned business.

    Good example is Siemens, they wanted close down a factory in Görlitz. The workers told the Siemens CEO to f....off, threatened to burn evrything down and in election made AfD strongest party. Siemens in panic mode gave a guarantee to the factory and closed a factory in west germany instead.

    Pro migrant business is boycotted here and this boycott spreads to west germany.
     
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    Education is not IQ. You can be uneducated and have very high IQ. IQ is your problem solving skills. Its the capacity of the brain.
     
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    Hungarians are a slavic group. Not Germanic.
     
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    I was thinking of Austria Hungary which was a country prior to WW1 - in fact, the reason for ww1.
     
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    Sorry, but stone age cultures don't really impress me.
     
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    They did not even invent the wheel. Their cultures were pathetic. I was in peru and the Inka did not impress me. Infact they appeared like laughable fools.
     
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    Austrians are germanic, hungarians slavs. There is a germanic minority in Hungary though.
     
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    You mean cultures you don't understand or haven't bothered to learn about. Your Euro-centric lens to history discounts the possibilities that other cultures might develop differently and not go the same paths as Europeans for their own reasons which don't reflect an inferiority of intellect but a genuine difference in geography and culture. Stone Age in Europe was characterized by small settlements and small scale agricultural production, which is not at all analogous to the kind of civilizations that populated Mesoamerica, especially in the South where the conditions for large civilizations existed.

    Here is an officer in Cortez's Army describing this civilization which you don't seem to care much about.

    And Cortez himself:

     
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    There were no animals around suitable for pulling carts, everything had to be carried on back or on terrain that such as the Andes which would never be suitable for wheels.

    How boring it must be to view the world through your racist glasses.
     
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    give me a cart and I'll beat the guy carrying the same amount of stuff on his back.

    Anyway, this is a stupid conversation. The indians hadn't developed metallurgy when my forefathers showed up. Hell, they didn't even have a written language!
     
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    We developed the wheel in Germany 12.000 years ago and even without horses it helped alot and opened new possibilities. The alps are as rough as the andes and there are gargantuan flat lands in peru, the altiplano.

    And boring? I love to visit other countries for their nature.
     
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    When you're four-years-old?
    It's almost certainly about culture and circumstance, not genetics. You may be right about contact with a more advanced culture bringing people into a modern era.
    You're supposing natural selection based on inteligence favors people in cultures with high IQs. You have your work ahead of you. Stupid people may find survival easier in an advanced culture.
     
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    The trouble with the uber-aggressive approach is that it may work in the short-term with a particular company, but it will discourage future investment.

    P.S. I mentioned the Dutch because they're Germanic.
     
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    IQ test resulted tend to be influenced by the education level. It's a problem with the test.
     
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    When you swallowed evry rubbish they forced on you for 20 or so years, you may agree that an uber agressive approach is necessary to maks sure they understand the message.

    And its not just one company. It forces entire german politics to the right. Eastern Germany strikes fear into the elites.
     

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