Defend the Noah's Ark narrative

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  1. Paul7

    Paul7 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that is the skeptics rationale for evidence of lots of water all over the earth, this mysterious sea that was apparently everywhere, even at the top of Mt. Everest.
     
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    They could be descended from one pair of cats, with variance due to micro-evolution.
     
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    How long did it take in the Mt. St. Helens event?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow....you truly are "One Of Those" aren't you.

    I would explain things in detail but experience has shown me my time would be wasted and I choose not to do that. Carry on carrying on little shepherd.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mt St. Helens was not a flood, it was a volcanic eruption with massive Lahar and snow melt. That you do not even understand this simple fact says everything I need to know.
     
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    Explaining divine events is one thing, but explaining the lack of evidence of the divine event after the fact is another.

    My favorite question we who don't believe the flood happened like to ask is: How did the kangaroos get to Australia where there is no evidence of a land bridge from the Middle East?

    I'm not well versed in the science debunking the flood. Therefore, allow me to introduce you to Aron Ra. Debate the things he says in his videos, not me. I'll post the videos over time. See if you can counter EVERYTHING he says:






     
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    He's not done yet! More:





     
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    Two more (last ones):



     
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    Is ther a "Common Sense" disproves Noahs ark video?
     
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    Its In allegory.

    How do you feel about Hindu texts depicting Vishnu flying around in mobile cities nuking his/her enemies? Does that also warrant a critique of Hinduism?
     
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    I have heard that if the polar ice caps melted that the entire earth would indeed be under water. I am not advocating the Noah story but the flood is plausible.
     
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    You heard wrong.
     
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    Maybe so, so why the all the fuss about GW?
     
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    Primarily because the implications of even mid range possibilities will be detrimental to many people and a worst case involves inundation and elimination of landmasses and massive human suffering/migration over relatively short time frames. Politically it has become very fussy because there are financial issues that lead some to dismiss data in order to maintain clout and support/money. Depending on your age it may not be something you need worry about, but if you are under thirty you might have an interesting future awaiting you.
     
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    A Bible-believer? I am, Jesus was one of those too, He spoke of Noah.

    The feeling is mutual.
     
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    That is the case, the topography of the pre-flood earth would indeed be underwater. After the flood the ocean ravines and mountains came about, hence seashells on the top of Mt. Everest.

    Now, how about skeptics explain how the first non-life became life? What was the cause that set off the Big Bang maybe?
     
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    The temperature on Mars has also been rising, is that our fault also? IMHO most of the recent changes have been due to increased sunspot activity. Some say we are entering a period of low sunspot activity, which will bring cooler temperatures. That was the bogeyman when I was in high school.

    Thanksgiving was the coldest in the Northeast since 1871. Just sayin'.....
     
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    Jesus had no Bible or Christianity.
     
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    He certainly had the Old Testament, and quoted it in regards to Noah. He similarly referenced Adam and Eve.
     
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    Well, it wasn't a god that we know.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean the Torah...correct?
     
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    All respect DA,
    but IMO “all things are possible” IS a bit of a cliche
    Which is used when ever there is an uncomfortable fit between our religious notions and reality

    Did a big fish swallow a man who emerged from his stomach days later?????
    With god, all things are possible

    OTOH, maybe it is just a story like paul bunyan or hercules, or king arthur
     
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    Put it in the context of the time. What and where was the known world during Noah's time? Certainly the America's didn't exist, at least as far as the people who lived around Noah would know. That leaves the known world Noah or whomever talked about to the middle east. A flood there just covering that area would be worldwide to them.
    How big was the known world back in Noah's time? I think the phrase worldwide flood would apply to what and where Noah knew of the world back then. Certainly none knew of the Americas, probably none knew of Asia or even Europe. Possible being from the middle east, portions of Africa were possible. But with no newspapers, TV, radio, explorers in general, the known world of Noah's people was quite small. It's very possible the world that Noah knew was flooded.

    I think we have to look at history or even myths of history through the context of the time events in history or myth's arose. For Noah and the people around him, who were living in those times a localized flood could very well be a worldwide flood to them. Especially if the flood wiped out all that they knew existed at the time. The world that Noah knew existed, not the world we know in the 21st century, but Noah's world.
     
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    If you don't know, shouldn't the God hypothesis be on the table?
     
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    Yes
     

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