More Americans and most Republicans now believe in climate change

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    The climate has changed over the last 4 billion years countless times, why wouldn't anyone with 3 working synapsis in their brain believe the climate's changing?

    There were Herbivore Dinosaurs and the vegetation to support them between 400 to 1200 miles from the North Pole about 60 Million years ago. The fossilized remains of both don't lie. Something cause the Earth to warm to that extent, man didn't exist and the fossils for oil were still walking around and growing from the ground. So what caused the Earth to warm that much? We know through indisputable fact that there were Herbivore Dinosaurs and the vegetation to support them between 400 to 1200 miles from the North Pole about 60 Million years ago. Why shouldn't we believe that cycle isn't happening again?

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/arcticdino/about.html
     
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    Good points. But the wild fires are sadly human caused due to stupidity. How many of the big ones are actually natural?
     
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    Your post was in response to one you cite as mine, but I believe it was actually written by another forum member by the name of "Talon." I personally agree with much you have to say about the wealthy in the world taking advantage of the rest of us in every conceivable way. I don't see Hillary as the worst of those. Trump was born & bred as one of wealthy elites, and shows every measure of evidence he's still one of them with every fiber of his being.
     
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    And yet American keep buying large trucks and SUVs. Maybe people aren't as concerned about global warming as the Communist News Network tells us.
     
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    You make some valid points, yet failure to respond to a growing global disaster will in the end, circle around to bite us in the butt. Whatever you determine to be the cost now, dealing with the growing intensity of natural disasters around the world will be far worse. It already is. Look at this year's hurricanes & wildfires. We CANNOT measure this threat in terms of monetary costs, for that only gets worse over time with our continuing inaction.
     
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    More Americans and most Republicans now believe in climate change

    But fewer french it seems
     
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    There is no growing intensity of natural diasters around the world

    Just the usual changing weather patterns
     
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    I'm old enough to recognize that few human creations can be measured by a standard approaching perfection. Most everything designed by humans has faults of some nature. The good news is that those faults can be ironed out over time, with effort. The Paris Accord was an important beginning, but it obviously required continuing improvements. Trump killed those improvements before they could even get started. That was poor leadership.
     
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    Trump has no authority over the euros relating to the man-made-global-warming hoax

    Other than france which rebelled, the euros can impose taxes on themselves as much as they want
     
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    Maybe so but if global warming intuitives affect companies bottom line they will pass the costs onto employees and consumers. While the thought of a future where the earth is possibly inhabitable is scary , a pay check reduction next week for a middle class worker is scarier.
     
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    I don't know what the ratio is between caused by man and natural causes, but both play a part. The growing danger is from elevated states of the environment that are continually increasing, like the dryness of California and the increasing warmth of the Gulf waters which feed the energy levels of the maturing hurricanes there. Global warming is a global problem, not a local one limited to any single country. But every country contributes to it in some way--the U.S. being a major contributor, along with China especially. Because we helped create the problem in the first place, we owe it to humanity, global wildlife, and the planet itself, to be a leader in fixing it--regardless of the monetary costs. It's nothing less than an investment in the future of all life on Earth, including our own & our offspring.
     
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    While it is true to say we normally experience several tropical storms and/or hurricanes in any given year, it is also true that over the past decade or two, the INTENSITY of those storms have increased tremendously. In 2017, we had Hurricane Maria utterly destroy Puerto Rico, and hurricane Harvey drown Houston along with much of Texas. In 2018, hurricane Michael severely impacted Florida, and hurricane Florence flooded the Carolinas. The intensity and damage rendered by these storms bears witness to the continual worsening of weather and climate over time. Global warming is the root cause. To fix it, we need to address the cause.
     
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    It's not a matter of taxes. It's a matter of the health & welfare of our planet--the one we all live on. We are like pathogens to our home world, and we need to recognize that and change it. That's more important than ANY concerns over financial cost.
     
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    That's the kind of limited thinking that kills nations & societies. I don't really want to be part of that.
     
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    Holy hell man. The ****ing conclusion from the very first report - and every report since - has been that the Russians sought to help Trump win the election.

    Every. Single. Member. Of trump's own handpicked intelligence chairmen agreed with that assessment over a YEAR ago.

    At this point, I have to question your authenticity as an individual. Do you honestly think that none of the evidence or reporting supports the notion that Russians illegally interfered in the US election with the Express intent of helping Donald trump?

    You have to act like a reasonable person then. And it starts by recognizing that proving he won "solely" because of their influence is a ****ing impossible standard.
     
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    The key word of the above assessment is "sought." That does not mean they actually attempted to engage in such, or actually succeeded in doing such. Seeking something is not the same thing as achieving something, it is not a physical action that amounts to interference.

    All that is had is speculation, driven by the belief that it was not possible for Hillary Clinton to be rejected by the united states public as president of the united states. Those supporting this notion of interference by the nation of Russia simply cannot accept that the campaign platform of Hillary Clinton, and her politics, were thoroughly rejected by the public at large for being unacceptable.

    Then the nation of Russia did not actually do anything to interfere with the election, that would have otherwise changed the results that actually occurred.
     
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    I don't see this year's hurricanes & wildfires as unusual. What was unusual was that one of the wildfires overran a town in California. Usually they don't, and even Jerry Brown now agrees there needs to be some forest management. And this year was not particularly warm, so I don't think you can come close to blaming the weather. I don't see a huge increase in natural disasters. What I see is an increase in damage because everyone either wants to live in the forest or have beachfront property.

    Historically, the Little Ice Age was an actual disaster for people. We have pretty much recovered from that. I can't recall anyone pointing out that all the people killed by the Little Ice Age were better off because of fewer tropical storms and forest fires. And after hundreds of years, people in England can once again grow marginal grapes.

    The fact is that at times in the past the Earth has been a good bit warmer and had higher CO2 levels without man contributing to them, and now we are cooler with lower CO2 levels even without people acting to change the climate. (There were no people to do that.) And I see no evidence that there is a growing global disaster.

    What I do see is an ever more frothy media reporting every unfortunate incident (including crimes) and that can lead to fear that the rate these things occur is increasing because you simply hear about them more. There are wildfires every year and tropical storms every year. There always have been.
     
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    And yet, only the US is living up to the promises made by the attending countries. The problem is that the US is not sending all the other countries cash so they can "try" to comply with their promises on the US dime. The US is lowering its emissions. Withdrawing from the accord did not prevent any other country from doing the same. Trump killed nothing except the cash pipeline.
     
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    Did the Rooskies help Trump by writing the dossier paid for by Clinton? Is that how they helped Trump?
     
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    Can you provide any evidence that the severity of storms has increased, and can you provide a correlation with global temperatures? If you can, you will be the first.
     
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    It’s human nature though..... poor people are worried about feeding their kids tomorrow not that the planet might be to hot after they’re dead. If gw measures either effect their paycheck or the measures can be spun that they will affect their pay then those people probably won’t care. It’s on people pushing the measures to demonstrate that those measures won’t hamper their jobs.
     
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    The poor leadership was Obama and Kerry exempting the 2 worst offenders including America's #1 trade rival.

    Trump got America off her knees.

    That deal was designed to Make China Great, not America.
     
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    Fake news.

    Most americans can read and understand data, but stop short at the presumption that its man made.
     
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    So you are saying the elders are generally more realists and analytical, while the young ones are emotional idealists?

    Agreed.
     
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    A hurricane did not ”drown much of Texas”

    That is just liberal bs

    Whats happened is that the liberal media uses every natural event to promote the global warming climate change scare when its really just Mother Nature going about her regular business
     

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