French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson dies at 89

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    Why you're claiming falsehoods again?
    Here you'll find many of this stuff: https://archive.org/details/JCPAuschwitzTechniqueAndOperationOfTheGasChambers
    And here some blueprints and other information: http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/othercamps/auschwitzgaschambers.html

    Btw,
    Holocaust Survivors Recall Exact Day Holocaust Started Right Out Of The Blue
    https://www.theonion.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-exact-day-holocaust-started-1830685498
     
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    Has it already been mentioned here, that the famous mobile gas chambers were not invented by the Nazis? They were developed, in 1937, by Isai Davidovich Berg, a leading Jew in the NKVD. (p. 237).
    ...
    Source:
    https://russia-insider.com/en/solzhe...review/ri22354
    russia-insider.com/en/solzhenitsyns-damning-history-jews-russia-review/ri22354
     
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    Obviously, Solzhenitsyn was a Jew-hater. Or is there any other reason for thinking up such stories?

    Here you can see the gas vehicles used by the Nazis:
    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/wo...ic-nazi-gas-vans-the-mobile-gas-chambers.html
     
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    Are you aware that "The Onion" is a satire publication that doesn't even pretend to be truthful?
    It's intended to be funny, not true.

    It seems that you misunderstood me. By "blueprints, photos, & drawings", I meant "blueprints, photos & drawings" that correspond to existing homicidal gas chambers.
    Of course there are "blueprints, photos, & drawings" of non existent homicidal gas chambers and forgeries of "blueprints, photos, & drawings" but nowhere is there any evidence of actual homicidal gas chambers in ruins or existing structures.

    In my Post # 500, I listed 8 ways in which the SHN cannot be true and you seem unable to refute any of them.
     
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    There are many witnesses to gas chambers, perpetrators and victims. There is some forgery, but that does not matter. The overall evidence proves that the Nazis intentionally murdered millions of Jews. HC deniers claim fakes, but these can not undo the Holocaust.

    You repeated claims from the standard repertoire of professional HC deniers. Just google for that. The answers are scattered throughout the whole internet. You're not the one and only "Revisionist" :)
     
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    Do you realize that by your citing an outrageously false satire piece by "The Onion" (1) you've shown that you're willing to believe an absolute & complete fiction that no one is supposed to believe and is not even intended to be truthful?

    I hope you will at least consider the fact that if you believe an outrageous fiction you are even more likely to believe more subtle, State sponsored fictions about "millions of Jews gassed in homicidal gas chambers" when not one single homicidal gas chamber exists.

    Additionally, there is absolutely no hard evidence that proves the Nazis intentionally murdered millions of Jews, Roma, homosexuals etc. The primary killer was typhus & related diseases that were rampant toward the end of the war because Germany was unable to provide food or medicine for almost anybody.

    I have both searched the internet for refutations of the following facts that make the standard holocaust narrative impossible but have yet to find the answers you claim exist or anyone who can refute the facts I noted earlier in my Post #500.
    The only responses I've gotten from people who believe the SHN (standard holocaust narrative) so far have been evasions, obfuscations & insults. I appreciate that your responses have at least been civil.

    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
    From Post #500:
    1. The absence of even one of the thousands of homicidal gas chambers that would have been required to execute "millions of people". Not one blueprint, drawing or photo of an existing homicidal gas chamber exists anywhere while they should certainly exist in the "mountains of evidence" and "reams of documents" that holocaustians so often refer to.

    2. The existence of 150,000 Jewish military men including Jewish Generals, Admirals, & winners of Germany's highest military honors

    3. Intercepted German radio transmissions(1) make absolutely no reference to mass executions & express a desire on the part of the Germans to keep as many inmates alive as possible

    4. The absence of any mass graves at Treblinka, for example and the fabricated claims of Colls based on misidentified tile markings.
    Even after the crude open air cremation, there would have been 850,000 skeletal remains & hundreds of millions of teeth yet only 6 bodies have been found(2).

    5. The absence of massive coal/coke piles, railroad tracks to the crematoria to deliver large amounts of coal, large coal storage facilities or significant clouds of smoke at Auschwitz or other camps to burn "millions" of bodies as claimed.

    6. No mention of homicidal gas chambers in any of the post war books written by De Gaulle, Churchill, or Eisenhower.

    7. The Wannsee Conference notes that there were 4.5 million Jews under German control at the highest point yet 4.3 million Jewish claims have been made on the post war German government. Meanwhile, Yehuda Bauer states that the notion that the Wannsee conference discussed a "master plan" to kill the Jews is nothing but a "silly story".(3)

    8. If Hitler etc wanted to kill all the Jews, why did they work with the German Zionist Federation to set up the Haavara Agreement to transfer Jews to Palestine?
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    (1) "Holocaust Survivors Recall Exact Day Holocaust Started Right Out Of The Blue"
    https://www.theonion.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-exact-day-holocaust-started-1830685498
     
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    Where is the satire? No honorable person jokes around with the suffering of persecuted.

    I understand them. It's pretty frustrating to see people denying historical facts. HC-deniers make history a political topic. They think they can fight history like an opponent who has a different opinion.

    That's a tragedy. In principle, HC-deniers kill the victims a second time. Denying the HC means that the victims never existed. Not everyone can stand that. Especially people whose family members died in the Holocaust.
     
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    First, he wanted to get rid of all Jews in his sphere of influence. He started out by ghettoize them and collect them into concentration camps. In the course of war, it became more and more unlikely to send them overseas. Ultimately, Hitler had only one option: mass murder.
     
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    Hello Grau!
    I see you are still patiently slugging it out with the Pitbull.
    May I briefly jump in and drop off some newfound material? It was written by an American Green Beret by the Name of Joe Cortina, and he calls it

    THE JEW ‘HOLOCAUST’ – HISTORY’S BIGGEST FRAUD Undeniable proof of the biggest lie of the century

    It is a long article and needs to be read from top to bottom. I will only extract a couple of quotes so you get the feel what this is about.


    Excerpt:
    In the autumn of 1989 the Soviet President – Mikhail Gorbachev opened Soviet archives, and the public saw for the first time, the complete register of deaths at Auschwitz, which speaks as a key document of 74,000.

    Excerpt:
    The video of the dated official Signal Corps film plainly indicated that Jewish (and other) inmates of Dachau were gassed to death in Dachau ‘gas chambers’. It even goes so far as to show old films of piles of the victim’s clothing stacked outside the “lethal gas chambers”, ostensibly represented to the hapless victims as showers and de-lousing rooms. At the beginning of the film -titled- NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP, the official United States Signal Corps producers go to EXTREME length to authenticate the “factual” nature of the film and events to be viewed.
    ....
    The absolute 100% verifiable truth that this was a vicious hoax is easily proven, as one of the many sources of verification of the fact that no Jew or other human was ever gassed at this camp, — is the society of Jewish survivors themselves.

    https://mynameisjoecortina.wordpres...able-proof-of-the-biggest-lie-of-the-century/
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    Your own Government lied to you!
     
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    And you think that because the author was a Green Beret that his Work of Petulant Denial is acceptable.

    Only if one is really&truly irremediably stoopid ...

    BTW: Just how does the book explain the fact the 6 million Jews massacred by the Nazis was all a Great Lie? Because that alone is an even greater lie given the proven evidence at hand!
     
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    I, too was surprised that someone would write a fictional satire piece(1) about the holocaust because of its tragic nature but "The Onion" is at least a democratic satire publication because it makes fun of everything & everyone.

    My point, however, is that you believed a completely fabricated narrative to be absolutely true without even questioning the blatantly obvious falsehoods because it supported falsehoods you've been led to believe.

    You actually believed that that there was: "...no curfew or persecutions or any limits on our rights, and all of a sudden, poof—the Holocaust was in full swing. "(1)

    You actually believed that all the concentration camps were built in 24 hours(1) and even claimed in an earlier Post that human bodies which are 70% water "...burn themselves"

    I believe you are an intelligent person but if you are willing to believe one outrageous fictional account without question then it is just as likely that you would believe another outrageous fictional account without question simply because it supports what you have been led to believe by a State that forbids all but one view.

    That's what I mean by " thinking for yourself". I'm sure that if you were thinking for yourself you would not have believed that all the concentration camps were built "... in 24 hours" (1)

    Because far more people around the world do not believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN), it it is both inaccurate and even dishonest to classify those billions of people as holocaust deniers because very few "deny" that the Roma, Communists, Jews & other perceived threats to the State were incarcerated along with real criminals.

    Very few deny that many of those same people were executed, treated cruelly & suffered privations especially at the end of the war so the term "holocaust denier" is an intellectually dishonest fabrication created to mischaracterize the billions of people who think for themselves & reject the impossible & outrageous fictions fabricated for money, fame, attention and a political agenda of justifying Israel's ethnic cleansing.

    I feel that is is far more disrespectful to the millions who died during WW2 to place a greater value on some lives via the holocaust and to exploit their fate for financial and a political agenda of expanding Israel's borders.

    Crass & transparent attempts by certain profit driven Jewish entities to monopolize the holocaust as exclusive Jewish "property" when other people of different ethnic & religious suffered are also far more disrespectful than rejecting outrageous profit driven falsehoods.

    There are many far more noble ways to honor WW2's dead than persecuting & arresting people who reject a lie so fragile that it needs laws to defend it against the truth.

    Thanks,


    (1) "Holocaust Survivors Recall Exact Day Holocaust Started Right Out Of The Blue"
    https://www.theonion.com/holocaust-survivors-recall-exact-day-holocaust-started-1830685498
    EXCERPTS "“We were just minding our own business and everything was totally normal, with no curfew or persecutions or any limits on our rights, and all of a sudden, poof—the Holocaust was in full swing.
    .... but by nightfall people were being grabbed off the street and sent to concentration camps, which had all been built over the previous 24 hours."CONTINUED
     
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    Re:
    Slandering others seems to be the only defense offered by people so gullible that they believe a fiction so outrageous & fragile that it needs laws to protect it.

    You are a bit late into this discussion but if you are capable of anything beyond insulting others, I hope you will feel free to respond to the 8 facts I cited in my Post #500.

    In #1 of the 8 facts I cited, I meant "blueprints, photos or drawings" of existing homicidal gas chambers.

    After all, if "millions" were gassed in homicidal gas chambers, there would have to have been hundreds or thousands of them yet not one airtight door, ventilation system, exhaust fan etc exists of a homicidal gas chamber exists.

    Earlier standard holocaust narratives asserted that people were executed in "steam chambers", "electrocution chambers", "electrified conveyor belts" and other bizarre contraptions.

    The following source offers some of the more creative holocaust eyewitness accounts believed by the same sort of people who inspired P.T. Barnum to declare that: "There's a sucker born every minute."

    “Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fan...e-Miracles.php

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED
     
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    Wow! We should make fun of the that 6 million Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis?

    You have an abominable sense-of-humour.

    Sick, sick, sick - get help! Quickly ... !
     
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    I see you didn't get it... the article went over your head!
     
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    Thanks for the additional information. I will read it as time permits however I do not think of the holocaust as exclusively Jewish "property" as people of all backgrounds were interred in Germany's WW2 work camps.
    For the same reason, I don't see how refusing to believe the standard holocaust narrative is in any way "anti Semitic".

    It may be that since almost all of the $ Billions paid out by Germany, France, the US & other countries went to Israel or the fraudulent Jewish Claims Conference(1) was based on intentionally inflated figures, I can see why those who profited from deliberate fraud would be especially sensitive at being exposed & the first to howl "anti Semitism".

    Re:
    I have long been aware that all governments lie in order to forward the agenda of those who control them.

    "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.””CONTINUED
     
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    And denying the holocaust is a matter of willful ignorance.

    What happened before and during WW2 to the Jews is authenticated history.

    Your odious lying saying otherwise is unacceptable. Shame on you ...

    For your edification: Responsibility for the Holocaust
     
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    Please note that the fictional satire piece you mentioned in "The Onion" was introduced into the discussion in Post #501 by someone who believes the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) & was unaware that it was complete fiction.

    It simply confirms the fact that those who have been indoctrinated into believing holocaust mythology will believe virtually anything that is consistent with holocaust lore.
     
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    Definition of stupidity from the Oxford Dictionary (here): Behaviour that shows a lack of good sense or judgment.

    Included in behaviour should be "belief"; which itself means "An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof". The belief that the Holocaust did not exist goes beyond belief because of the sheer number of witnesses to it who survived.

    Moreover, documentary evidence substantiating the program of Jewish extermination (demonstrated within the authentic Nazi archives) shows that it was a major program supported by Hitler and his cohorts-in-crime.

    Both of the above arguments should be sufficient to any intelligent person ...
     
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    Yes, the evidence of the above was proven, not only from Jewish survivors of the Holocaust but as demonstrable in the Nazi archives that were released after the war as regards the written orders to build the concentration camps and the furnaces. (You might also want to see the footage of the films taken shortly after the Russians and then the Americans military elements had penetrated the camps, which German soldiers had just evacuated. The time-lag in some instances was just a few hours.)

    The proof is undeniable - except if one has an abject hatred of the holocaust's purpose. That is, the wanton destruction of the Jewish people.

    So, such people should be asking themselves the question, "Given the undeniable proof of the holocaust, why am I insisting that it is just an enormous joke perpetrated after the war?"

    I expect your answer here ...
     
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    Which is an insult to anyone's intelligence who has seen the proof of the slaughter in the form of sworn eyewitness historical accounts by the Jews themselves, Nazi archives held by the German government, and the eyewitness accounts of both American, British and Soviet forces during the war who entered the extermination camps ...
     
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    Yes, that is exactly what the author of my posted article writes about... he is actually in possession of these films, and when he years later visited Dachau and bought a book there which was written by former Jewish inmates, denying there were gas chambers and gassings, he remembered these films from 1945. Thus he discovered a massive lie by the American military under Eisenhower.
    These films presented the "absolute truth" to the American people and the world with several endorsements/affidavits of high-ranking people, yet, the Jews who had been incarcerated there stated the opposite! It is common knowledge now that Dachau had no gas chambers and nobody was gassed there.

    SHAME on the Americans to purposely, and going to great lengths to have a Hollywood film crew produce false evidence, lie to the world about the Germans.

    https://mynameisjoecortina.wordpres...able-proof-of-the-biggest-lie-of-the-century/
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    I'm glad to be able at the end of my life to learn about the lies fabricated to demonize the German people, to exploit them without end.
    Eisenhower was known to hate the Germans with a passion. He was also the one who ordered the starvation of millions of German POW, of which my brother was one!!!!
     
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    Apparently you are unaware that far more people do not believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN)(1) than are gullible enough to believe the outrageous impossibilities doled out by profit & fame driven holocaust hucksters.

    If there were any truth to the SHN, you would easily be able to refute the 8 facts I cited in Post # 500 but I have yet to encounter a holocaustian who can do so.

    Yet another well funded SHN source is likely to edify me beyond what I have already learned & certainly not going to refute what I have already written & supported.

    Re:
    That you can show nowhere that I have been untruthful only exposes you as the one doing the "odious lying".

    Set yourself free from an angry & hate filled cult of ghoulish dupes:

    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/




    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    O.k., let's see who is stoopider!! I'll start by listing a few facts that I have gathered which should prove the holocaust could not have happened as told and propagated worldwide.

    Fact #1:
    World Almanac for 1947 states that in
    1939
    the world Jewish population was 15,688,259.
    1948 NYT stated world Jewish population was 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
    What happened to the 6 million murdered Jews?

    Fact #2:

    There were no more than 4 million Jews living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power. Twenty years after the end of the war, in 1965, the West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money.
    4 000 000 total
    3 375 000 survived
    --------------------------
    = 625 000 died

    Fact #3:
    The International Red Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died. Their audit of December 31, 1984 records a total 282,077 registered deaths of all internees in all German Concentration Camps from all causes.

    Fact #4:

    The Jewish-owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly stated that Soviet Russia had supplied the figure of 4 million Jews having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz." That figure is now down to 1 000 000. The Russian Jews lied.

    Fact #5:
    Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on December 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be reduced at all costs". The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic and tuberculosis.
    Why save the prisoners if they are to be killed anyway?

    Fact #6:
    The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"

    Fact #7:
    In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace. Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held Poland. Lies get adjusted!

    Fact #8:
    Simon Wiesenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust Center states April 1975, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil. Yet, the American "liberators" made films in Dachau of "gas chambers", piles of clothing and dead bodies etc

    Fact #9:
    Not one order has been found for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    Fact #10:

    Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition.

    Fact #11:

    The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946).

    Fact #12:

    Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943. Forced by the Soviets by torture he confessed to mass gassings, using Zyclon-B gas. Hoess' statement read, "...half an hour after having released the gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines. They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and smoking."
    Zyklon-B is not "ventable". Only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing the workers. Hoess was trying to convey for the after-world that there were no gassings at Auschwitz.

    Fact #13:
    Thies Christophersen, a German soldier and author wrote: "I was at Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."

    Alright, I will stop at # 13. I await factual refutations... no insults.




     
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    You are in denial. It's a mental illness. Get help.

    From Wikipedia - Holocaust Denial

    Excerpt:

    Furthermore, note on the same site - Notable Holocaust Deniers

    Your name on that list ... ?
     
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