Ukrainian Army Shells Donetsk Residential Areas With Massive Artillery Fire

The installation/removal quid pro quo of missiles in Turkey during the Cuban Missile Crisis was an important gesture, but not much more than that, really. We didn't really need the missiles in Turkey because we had missiles in West Germany (that few knew about), poised and ready to target anywhere in the Soviet Union. More significant as a threat was the fleet of American submarines which had the capability of launching Polaris missiles bearing nuclear weapons. Those went into service in 1961.

Nevertheless, I do certainly agree it's not wise to 'test' Russia -- and especially not to 'test' Vladimir Putin! And even more especially, it would be unwise to 'test' Russia on what it considers to be part of Mother Russia. That would be like provoking the Bear inside the Bear's own cave. It could be done with an all-out nuclear war, of course, but does anyone really want to try that? Surely not even the IMF and "Western" central bankers who put Poroshenko in power in Kiev would think that's a smart thing to do.

 

How about some reality:

Yanukovich was still alive, thanks to Putin, and according to a document signed by all parties involved, he was still the president until December. The people in Donbas were supporting their legal president, and going against the American instigated fascist pusch/coup - so Russia had every right to protect the Russian people from being forced to either give up their language and heritage, or be killed and ethnically cleansed by the Nazis.

Do you realize that in the US we do not have an official language? If we don't, why are we supporting the fascists in Ukraine?

So tell me, what right did Washington have to be in Ukraine and intervene in their business by overthrowing the legally elected government, when they're located thousands of miles away? Please answer me?

What the US did in Ukraine is like Russia going into Canada, and forcing them to pull away from their English heritage. The people in Ukraine speak Russian, go to school in Russia and marry Russians. This is why Yanukovich was voted in by the majority of people in Ukraine. Now what's so hard to understand about that?

Anyway to say that the people in Ukraine are not Russia oriented, is like saying the people in English speaking countries are not Britain oriented. Come on a little logic here. The Banderite Gallacians that Nuland put in charge is a very small percentage of Ukraine.

 

Seeing it was Kennedy who demanded the missiles be removed from Cuba I wouldn't call it "backing down" when Khruschev insisted his own demand be met ..... which was carried out. But you are right in any case.

I am beginning to agree with you.

 

Hmmm..OK, iIwill use a phrase here...vaguely I will say.....where a russian once said....we're never wrong, because "might makes right"....seems fitting here).

 

Oh, ukies all speak russki.....go to school in moskva, marry Muscovites.

So youre saying theres no schools in ukraine? For kids to attend?

Funny when iIwas there, I heard much ukranian spoken?

Where's those videos Jenny?

 

We've already tested putinka.....in Syria, in Feb.

Lotsa dead troops....crickets from the Kremlin.....it was feeding time)!

 

And here I thought it was Mecca.

 

FAKE NEWS!

 

To be honest I don't know much about it. What I have read though is that the Crimea and Donbas is strategically important in that missiles from there can reach the Urals where Russia's nuclear missile are.

I always felt that Washington's action's towards Russia was foolish since they were always an empire and had never bowed to a foreign power - or at least not since the Middle Ages, In that respect I related them to us, and how we too would react since we had never been humbled by a foreign occupation. I knew that Russia would never give in to anything we did.

There a method to Poroshenko's madness other than the money he can steal from the IMF. When the war started, Putin wondered why he was killing off his young men since they will be needed to till the earth. Well the answer is simple. When there is no one to farm, and the people are lacking the basic necessities, they'll be forced to sell at a cheap price in the same way the Russians had to when the Soviet Union dissolved.

I read that 80% of the farms in Ukraine are now owned by the agrarian companies like Monsanto. As for the nationalists/nazis, they're Poroshenko's useful idiots. He promised them the rich areas in the Donbas once it's ethnically cleansed. This is why they're so gung ho in doing his dirty work.

The militants have started conscripting again - especially in the Donbass areas that are still under Kiev's occupation. When the war starts, the Nazis/nationalists will be placed in the back of the formations with orders to shoot any Ukrainian soldier that tries to leave. It's a genocide of their own men as well as of the civilians in the Donbass. It was their own mistake though. When Strelkov organized the resistance against the junta in Kiev, the Donbass areas that didn't join the militia have been suffering ever since.

 

When I say schools, I mean higher educational ones - and I'm talking about the Donbas and southern Ukraine. I should have specified. Anyway you're from the Western areas, and they speak some kind of 'pidgin' Russian mixed with Polish - or who knows. Anyway it wouldn't matter if they didn't try to impose that language on everyone else in the country.

I don't know what protests in Kiev you're talking about? These are the protests that called for Poroshenko's impeachment this year. There have been some in the past years as well.

 

Those in Ukraine ...with money....go to western colleges, in the west, London, Paris, Berlin, many go to local colleges and universities, so I have no idea where you get these ideas!


I'm not from western Ukraine jenny...

The speak ukranian there jenny...not some ""pidgin" like you say...or who knows? Not to brilliant.....have you been to Ukraine Jenny?

Do you know where it is??

Where's those riots in Kharkiv, and Odessa...also refugees in Poland?

Still no links jenny?

 

They do not talk Ukranian language in the westrern part of Ukraine (on the border areas to Poland, Hungary and other western countries). People from the center of Ukraine hardly understand the language of those who live in the west.

 

Fears mount: Putin��s Russia poised to seize more of Ukraine?

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That's funny vis....i was in Lviv, Ivano, Ternopol, with 2 other friends, one who talked ukranian, we were understood fine, same as in central part....in the east they "understand", just don't reply in ukranian.....they're cultural rejects one may call it....you just dont like it.

 

It's absolutely shameful how Vlad the Invader has screwed the families of the Russian soldiers KIA in Ukraine.

Putler's supporters and detractors do a lot of talking about what a great leader he is but he is a man utterly devoid of honor, which makes him sh*t in my book. Great leaders NEVER EVER violate the sacred trust of their soldiers and their families like that.

 

The Sudeten Germans apparently wanted to be in Germany.
They should have moved there.

 

Well, zoom, of course the people who live in western part of Ukraine understand people from other parts of Ukraine, they can even speak Russian. What I say is that vice versa it does not work- that is the people who say come from Kiev will hardly understand those who live in Ivano-Frankovsk or Ternopol if they start to talk their local dialect.
First example that comes here is hutsuls: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutsuls
I am pretty sure your Ukrainian friends from Kharkiv will not understand their language, unless of course they lived there for some time.

 

I read that the further east one goes, the more Russian influence there is, and the further West one goes, the more Polish influence there is. They are basically two different cultures. As one Ukrainian said, there is more similarity between Americans in Oregon and Florida, then between the East and West of Ukraine.

The Russian Federation gave the administrative areas of the Soviet Union the courtesy of voting on whether they wanted to remain with Russia. The same nations who had accepted Russia's courtesy and attained their independence, didn't want to give the same courtesy to the Russian people within their new boundaries. Ukraine wouldn't allow the Crimea and the Donbas the right to vote on who they want to be with; Ukraine or Russia.

The same happened in the Baltic nations, and instead of bettering their condition so they wouldn't want to join with Russia, they worsened it with an apartheid system so they could force them to leave. The Russians living there though do not want to leave their ancestral lands, and why should they? This is why those countries are so panicky.

Anyway with the break up of the Soviet Union, 20 million Russians found themselves living outside of the Federation and it burdens Vladimir Putin. Moscow certainly doesn't need land, what they need is people to build up their own land, so Putin offered free land to all Russians and Slavs who want to retain their heritage and not succumb to the liberal new world order.

 

Russia hasn't seized any of Ukraine. If you're thinking of Crimea, they voted to join with Russia. I know Mariupol was given to Greeks from Crimea by Catherine the Great, and they certainly didn't want to be under the fascist Kiev government, so fearing for their lives many families left for Greece.

Lately I read that they're organizing with others to take their homes and lands back, and this might be the basis of the article. Had Russia wanted to free Mariupol or any city in southern and eastern Ukraine, Putin wouldn't have stopped the militia from marching on Mariupol after they defeated the Ukrainian army.

It freaked out Strelkov, and he had a lot of problems with Putin over it. It even upset the recently assassinated Pres. of Donetsk Zacharachenko, because he felt he was betraying the people living there.

At the start of the war, the Ukrainian soldiers refused to shoot their fellow countrymen - besides they were hungry so they surrendered with their tanks. Kiev was forced to send in the nationalists/ Nazis from Gallacia and this is what happened when they entered Mariupol:

 

Wrong, the ukranian they speak can be understood in the east, and not all speak moskali language, the fella from Lviv used his ukrainian in Odessa and was understood.

You even been to Ukraine...vis? How would you know? Somehow I doubt it.

 

Alyaska is stolen by the US, so it has to be returned to Russia. Texas is also stolen by the US and has to be returned to Mexico.

 

I was born in Ukraine, and I've been to many places there, both East and West. Somehow, I do not doubt that the dialects they speak in Western Part of the Ukraine are understood in the central part. Read the link on Wiki I put about the dialects before claiming something.

 

Alaska is ...Purchased....fair & square by the US vis....official receipt at Smithsonian I believe. Big difference between legally purchasing and stealing.

 

Sure you were born and raised in Ukraine.....just like you stated you a health professional to me, physicist to another member, engineer, etc.