Bitter Clintons snub Trumps at Bush funeral

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Remember that historic Arab Spring speech?

    Really short excerpt:
    In Egypt, in the face of mounting political and economic disorder and a campaign against U.S. democracy aid, the United States hunkered down, focused on protecting relations with the military and building access to the new Muslim Brotherhood leadership while keeping opposition parties and civil society at a distance... -> https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/21/remember-that-historic-arab-spring-speech/


    The Obama-Hillary Team and the Muslim Brotherhood: A Critique

    Despite numerous denials that Obama administration had wide-ranging dealings with the Muslim Brotherhood, it was indeed this administration with Hillary Clinton as its Secretary of the State Department which expanded a network of relationships with the Islamists. Donald Trump, by clearly identifying Radical Islam as America’s chief enemy, brings clarity into this debate.

    The Islamists’ victories in the only two post-Arab Spring elections constitute monumental developments. Although wielding different amounts of power in each country, over the last few months Islamist forces have come to play a crucial, if not dominating, role in the political life of a geographical arch that, with the qualified exceptions of Algeria and Libya, extends from Rabat to Gaza. Moreover, while the situation is still very confused, Islamists seem poised to play a greater role in other Arab countries, whether that is participating in toppling a regime (as it would be the case in Syria) or by demanding concessions of current rulers (as has increasingly been the case in Jordan).

    In the ever-changing environment that is the Arab world of the last five years, it is difficult to predict what will be the political developments of the near future and, similarly, what role Islamist forces will play in each country. But it seems fair to state generally that Islamism, in its gradualist and pragmatic approach embodied by the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots worldwide, seems to have been rolled back in such countries as Egypt under Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and Jordan under King Abdullah, and faces a stiff opposition from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, with the exception of Qatar. Although they played only a marginal role in the Arab uprisings, Islamist movements are likely to be among the main beneficiaries of the Arab Spring, possibly using their political mobilization skills and grassroots legitimacy to gain positions of power in the nascent democracies of the region.

    This monumental change has created many concerns among liberals, religious minorities and, more generally, all non-Islamists in the countries where Islamists have won. In addition, Arab states ruled by non-Islamist regimes have expressed concern. The former worry that Islamist ideology—even in its participatory and more moderate version—remains deeply divisive and anti-democratic, often at odds with their values and interests. They have concerns about the sincerity of Islamist parties' commitment to democracy and their views on religious freedom, women's rights and free speech. The latter believe that on foreign policy issues, most of the positions of various Muslim Brotherhood-inspired parties are on a collision course with the policies of established regimes in the region. Moreover they fear a spillover effect through which local Islamist forces will feel emboldened and challenge the countries’stability.

    Historic Mistake: Engaging the Muslim Brotherhood

    During the emergence of protests against Hosni Mubarak, the Obama Administration hedged its bets and lent diplomatic and rhetorical support to the Egyptian regime. As the protests grew and the regime began to shudder, the Obama Administration began to advocate an “orderly transition” designed to demobilize protestors and preserve the heart of the regime via a handoff to Vice President and intelligence chief Omar Suleiman. When the Tahrir demonstrators made that option moot, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), an unelected conglomeration of military officials, stepped in and assumed control of the transition. As the SCAF guided the transition process (and protected its own prerogatives), the United States sought to preserve the longstanding security relationship with Egypt’s generals.

    Early on in the process the Muslim Brotherhood entered the discussion, leading the Republican opposition to hammer the president. Then-presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty indicted Obama for “undermin[ing] allies in Israel” while “trying to appease…the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.” “With bullies,” Pawlenty asserted, “might makes right. Strength makes them submit. Get tough on our enemies, not our friends.”... continue -> https://www.newenglishreview.org/Al..._Team_and_the_Muslim_Brotherhood:_A_Critique/


     
  2. mdrobster

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    wtf does that have to do with anything in this thread.

    the bottom line, is as usual, a solemn event was used for political gain, thereby mimicing trumps classlessness.
     
  3. The Mello Guy

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    Yah I think a president supported by the people matters
     
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    Brought to you by the Trump crime syndicate. Seems trumpland is infected by CDDS (Clinton Derangement and Delusion Syndrome) that blinds them to their dear leaders lack of class and pettiness. Not to mention his little CinC "boy take my coat" moment.
     
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    So, you don't understand how Presidents are elected.
    How did that happen?
     
  6. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Crooked Hillary Clinton was a useful idiot of Islamist Jihadist and the Muslim Brotherhood.
     
  7. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Of course I do, please try to follow along
     
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    You didn't vote for the POTUS to be presidential. SMFH. By clean up the courts you mean place a bunch of right wing, racist on the bench.
     
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    Ah - good. This means you understand the aggregate popular vote total has nothing to do with the election.
     
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    Nobody said it did. Again try to pay attention
     
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    You said:
    "Landslide means getting less votes now?"
    How does the fact Trump had a smaller aggregate popular vote total than Hillary in any way mean he did not win in a landslide?
     
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    Because most voters wanted someone else.
     
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    The same pundits that said Hillary would win easily?
     
  14. The Mello Guy

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    land·slide
    /ˈlan(d)ˌslīd/
    noun
    1. 1.
      the sliding down of a mass of earth or rock from a mountain or cliff.
      synonyms: rockslide, mudslide;
      avalanche
      "floods and landslides"
    2. 2.
      an overwhelming majority of votes for one party in an election.
     
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    You agree that the aggregate popular vote total does not matter -- how then does what "most voters" want in any way mean someone did not win in a landslide?
     
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    Trump received 304 votes, 34% more than his closest opponent.
    How is that not a landslide?
     
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    Yes, those were nice.
    I liked all the eulogies, especially the one by President George W. Bush.
     
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    That's exactly what Trump did. He got a majority of the votes that matter, by a large majority.
     
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    Sorry, loosing the popular vote is not a 'landslide election'.
     
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    I did too. I missed the one by George Bush. Very dignified and touching.
    Hillary looked so p$$d off sitting there lol, at least Trump didnt mouth off something stupid.
     
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    I concur.
     
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    As you are fully aware, the aggregate popular vote total is completely irrelevant.
    So...
    Trump received 304 votes, 34% more than his closest opponent.
    How is that not a landslide?
     
  23. The Mello Guy

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    Because most people didn’t vote for him
     
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    When determining landslide, you certainly realize that the votes that matter are the only votes that matter. This is an easy concept.

    Votes that don't matter? Don't matter.
    Votes that matter? Matter.

    So, for the votes that MATTER, it was a landslide. Why is this so difficult to understand?

    Basketball team A had way more fans at the game, which means they won the popular vote, so why didn't they win the game?

    Lol... real head scratcher, there.
     
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    The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
     

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