Ocasio-Cortez Threatens To Retaliate Against Trump Jr. Over Meme, Twitter Explodes With Accusations

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  1. ibobbrob

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    What results other than the tax reduction for the wealthy? The mess with the tariffs, alienating our allies?
     
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    I'm not wealthy. Tax cuts helped us a lot. Helped the economy. Also cut off aid to bad actors. North Korea progress including the return of US bodies. Shrinking government. A general chugging economy due to terrible regulations repeal, and if he wins this trade conflict holy ****, that is not one in the win column yet. SCOTUS justices, and judicial appointments in general. Decertifying terrible Iran deal... I mean... it really goes on and on.

    I have criticisms as well... but he has done so much...
     
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    Why is he my guy? Are you so incredibly partisan that you think everyone else is too?
     
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    Most families saw less than 800$ a year — while that is not nothing it is a far stretch from the percentage that billionaires and multinationals saw.

    North Korea basically told him to F off - and there is recent activity at several of their sites.

    Shrinking government? Like the epa, aids council and cdc while ballooning the already obese military industrial complex. Seems like a fair trade off.

    The economy has been on a base trajectory since before he was un-democratically elected - eliminating clean air and water initiatives while pushing coal and ending the electric credits are typical though.

    And shifting scotus to be a political tool instead of an independent chamber is par for the course as well.

    Yeh - he’s great...
     
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    People who defend Trump's conduct are his supporters unless they have an agenda. Don't tell me that you are neutral as you defend him when the media holds him responsible, because you are either a supporter or simply a contrarian.
     
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    What conduct of his have I defended?
    when they hold him responsible for phony things yes. That's more about journalism than some Trump. Just because you are obsessed with him doesn't mean anybody else is.
     
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    If you are not wealthy, we have a difference of opinion as to whether the tax reduction plan for the wealthy helped you a lot. The national debt has increased dramatically, and the economy was on its way up when Trump took office. Regulations were repealed for profits and our environment will pay. This will hurt you as the wealthy get more wealthy and the working middle class becomes poor. The economy is already starting to hiccup as the stock market begins to gyrate.
    And the shrinking government? Government agencies are so short-handed that they can't enforce our laws. Healthcare, social security,
    Medicare are in dire straits and there is no money for Trump to keep those promises, which also include infrastructure repair, a wall paid for by Mexico, elimination of the national debt. His divisiveness has caused a rift in our country. He sidles up to dictators and denigrates our allies. He disparages our institutions and the patriots who put their lives on the line for us. Korea has used him, as they are increasing their nuclear program rather than ending it.
    He canceled the treaty with Iran before sitting down and negotiating, resulting in their nuclear growth and ramping up the rhetoric.
    He has done nothing to make the world a better place. Actually, things are getting worse.
    His tariff war will cost you plenty before it is over and it is just starting, as higher prices for materials are forcing our manufacturing plants out. GM, Ford, Carrier, Harley are leaving. BMW and Mercedes are having second thoughts about another factory.
     
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    I am not obsessed with anybody. Glad to hear that you support journalism holding Trump responsible. That is where we agree, and that
    is what is happening.
     
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    that's what any obsessed person would say. You're kind of making up all these rules about conversations regarding him.


    I don't support journalism at all. That was a strange contortion.
     
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    Of course, of course.
     
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    Potato
     
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    Because we might be better off having no one than someone whose cheese slid off their cracker. Not intended as a disparaging remark, but an analogy on sanity.
     
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    Go getcha some of that, then, and stop making us want to gouge our eyes out. LOL
     
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    I'd say, allow those who want represented to be under the jurisdiction of another district. Only 12% care. If by some miracle, it awakens the other 88%, a special election can be run for the remainder of the term.
     
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    I'm not a doctor. I can't help people who see what they want to see. Your perspective has no tether to reality.
     
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    Which part? I have sources for every point.
    Or you can try to educate yourself.
     
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    The deficit is one of those criticisms I mentioned earlier. Trade balance would go a long way to helping that, but I do dislike the notion of my friends on the left suddenly caring about the deficit. The economy before Trump was stagnant, and took off like a rocket, first on speculation and investment agreements, then deregulation which caused unprecedented growth. There is plenty of law and order money, that is not what has been cut. You only need to negotiate with adversaries, and the allies who take advantage of us. Your characterization of NK is wildly inaccurate, and the concessions have been deep. Returning of GIs bodies, not a single nuclear or missile test when they were becoming a weekly event, summits and border crossings between north and south, demilitarizing of the DMZ, soldiers shaking hands... this progress is unprecedented in history, and pretending anything otherwise is simply disingenuous. It ain't over till the fat Korean sings... but you cannot ignore the work that NO previous president has accomplished. As to the trade war, nobody knows which way that will go. It's a gamble, but we have the stronger more sustainable hand.
     
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    My education is fine. Your beliefs are simply biased rhetoric of unhinged Trump haters, and I am having a rational conversation atm with a seemingly reasoned person which I find much more enjoyable. If I find myself in need of a time suck where my opponent refuses to admit reality when plainly shown it I'll hit you up.
     
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    It would be a problem constitutionally speaking, but you may not be wrong from a practical standpoint.
     
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    Trump promised to eliminate the deficit and that is the point. The economy before Trump was hardly stagnant before Trump, and deregulation, if history is any indication, will have a negative effect on your life if you are a working middle-class American. I am not talking about law and order money. Government agencies like HUD are so understaffed that they cannot enforce our laws relative to low-income housing irregularities. We are short 60 Ambassadors and Trump says he can do it himself. No. Negotiation by bullying only serves to alienate adversaries and allies alike. The EU is going in a different direction and has entered into a trade deal with Japan. Germany is now buying gas from Russia. The Chinese are stepping in to increase trade with Europe and are supplying North Korea. Many countries in the world are closer to war than before Trump.
    My characterization of North Korea is spot on. Nothing has changed except the testing and their relationship with the south-for now which is a good development. No nuclear reduction.
    Health care, social security, Medicare, infrastructure, wall paid for by Mexico? Where is the money coming from to pay for these unkept promises? And his divisive conduct and constant lying? Americans are more divided than ever as open racism and antisemitism are rampant. What about his sidling up to autocrats? He is a wannabe dictator and our democracy is being compromised with Trump in office. His inner circle has been inundated with grifters and other undesirables who are much like him. He takes no advice that he needs to hear and accepts advice only that he wants to hear. Reagan knew what he did not know and brought in the best minds to advise him. Trump is bringing our country to its knees.
     
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    I asked you to point out what I posted is incorrect — you made the claim. I can source every point. Feel free to not respond if that is the best retort you can come back with - it makes you look like a hack...
     
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    It isn't a response. I don't owe you one because you chose to comment on a post of mine in the middle of a discussion with someone else. I don't care for your "style", and opt not to engage with you. Feel free to kibbutz, you can write whatever you like. I just don't care to go fighting windmills.
     
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    You choose not to engage yet here you are... engaging.

    I’m not surprised coming from someone that disputes what was said but can’t exactly point to a single false point.

    I would also agree you shouldn’t fight windmills. Stick to brick walls - fits with your narrative.

    Btw, you were speaking of your education earlier:
    kib·butz
    /kiˈbo͝ots/
    noun
    1. a communal settlement in Israel, typically a farm.
     
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    You are fine with the world running a $600B trade surplus against us, but when Trump works to even the trade balance, it's "bullying".
     
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    I guess you didn't read my post. Trump's pugnacious conduct has alienated friends and foes alike. The world is in a worse place today.
     

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