What if the border wall isn’t effective?

All the talk from about Trump shutting down the government voluntarily for a wall, to a GoFundMe page that has raised fifteen million so far for the wall demands a common sense question.

What if the wall isn’t effective? Most Americans know it won’t drastically curve illegal immigration, as it is being sold as. Thus makes for the good argument that a wall will simply be a big waste of money, where that money could flow into more productive means such as homeless and veteran programs. Well, at least if we really are concerned about putting Americans first that’s where the money would go.

For the most part, the border wall is simply pointless. Immigrants will still find their way in, drugs will still be brought through the border, and it will be embarrassing to try defending an entire government shutdown over such.

Or am I thinking too sensibly here?

 

They do huh? You got the crystal ball to see the future or know what everyone is thinking? That's a pretty bold statement for 330,000,000 people you just made.

 

A wall by itself will do little to keep people out. Think about the Berlin Wall. I don't know what the dimensions were but every so many feet was an armed outpost there able to cover a certain sector of the wall. If a wall by itself would have been effective I doubt they would have had guards spaced out the length of the wall shooting people attempting to cross.

Soooo, give trump his wall and the next thing he'll want is to bring 6,000 National Guards down to the border on permanent assignment and space them out so they can shoot any one whose built a ladder taller than his wall.

 

It is not sensible to build a wall on the Canadian border; because we have good neighbors there who generally respect the border and don't enter illegally... so we don't.
Fences are sensible and made necessary on the southern border by the illegal immigrants choice to ignore our laws and borders.

We have some walls in place now. Numerous reports show that the walls are 90-95% effective in reducing illegal entry. It doesn't mean that other aspects of border control will be unnecessary, just that they will be able to be effective rather than overwhelmed. On old saying is that good fences make good neighbors, and that has proven true for a long, long time. It's like the concept of locking your doors, of putting your money in the bank or safe instead of leaving it on the porch. One does not have to be very smart to see why we do that.

 

Are you kidding?

 

Save money on the troops by just electrifying the razor wire.

 

Why don't we just have an Immigration Border triathlon?

If they make it, great, we will take them.

If not, we ship em back.

 

The number of people who escaped from East Berlin was miniscule as compared to the population as a whole. What else would you suggest to protect our borders?

 

Most immigration experts have been saying a wall would have little effect on illegal immigration for years now. There are too many entry points for illegals that are not along the US-Mexican border for it to have any real effect.

 

What experts on border security said walls are totally ineffective when was the poll taken and what peer reviewed study backs them up.

And if this is true should we get rid of all the walls/fences we currently have and just have open borders?

 

I was thinking the same this morning. It seems that all eggs have been placed in the wall basket, so there will be massive amounts of egg on Trump's face if it doesn't work as promised. But I suspect he already has his excuses lined up, starting with the fact that he had been faced to erect a much less effective model by the rotten dems. At which point I would say that he shouldn't have wasted that money on an ineffective model.

 

I didn't say they said the wall would be totally ineffective. I said that they said it would have little effect. That is because of the fact that the border is not the only entry point for illegals. There are entry point all over the southern coast as well. To have real effect on illegal immigration, you would have to seal off all these entry points, which isn't going to happen. The wall would not have enough of a impact on illegal immigration to justify the costs of construction, which is around $21 billion, and the costs of manning and maintaining it, which is said to be about $150 million a year.

 

You want a wall? Show me a peer reviewed study that shows its effectiveness

 

Its your guys making the claims about these experts. What experts, what studies and be specific.

But I will present these experts on border security

Border Patrol agents overwhelmingly support Trump's wall in new survey

...A stunning 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent disagreed....
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/2/border-patrol-agents-back-trump-wall-survey-finds/

 

You want a wall? Show me a peer reviewed s

That is not a study. You are claiming a wall will significantly reduce illegal immigration.

Please provide a peer reviewed study to back your claim

 

Says who and that is what we are talking about, border walls where it works and the more we seal off the better freeing up resources that can be expended where they don't work.

 

I never claimed I have a study by unnamed "experts". What I do have is the expert opinion of those in charge of it. Who are these experts you and yours are claiming say otherwise and based on what studies. If you cant answer this time I will take its a bogus claim.

 

So no study....but you are asking for a study.


I thought so. Your claim is bogus

 

I think the point I tried to make went over your head. I was suggesting that a wall by itself would do little to keep the illegals out and after spending multiple billions to build the wall we would then have to spend multiple billions to build guard towers, barracks, mess halls and everything else needed to man the guard towers. The Berlin wall just by itself didn't work and it also appears the Wall of China also had towers for guards to work. It's a lot of words to say that trump is one retarded idiot to suggest that all he needs to solve the problem is a wall. Besides that, a wall would be physically impossible to build.

 

That's total BS. What exactly is an 'immigration expert'? Maybe if it were border security professions saying that, it could have merit. Crossing the border on foot is cheap, every other method is far more expensive, and those additional costs would eliminate a large number of people attempting to invade. Do you support taking the walls down at our prisons?

 

in percentages the wall would be much more effective then no wall, so your if is illogical

 

Prove it

 

i they can walk across a flat landscape with no interference or resistance a wall will slow or stop my progress, next stupid ?

 

Its called a ladder. Duh. Lol