Extra Terrestrials... Good or Bad

Discussion in 'Science' started by DarkDaimon, Dec 14, 2018.

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If extra-terrestrials were to visit Earth, they would be...

  1. vicious, colonizing warmongers, after our resources.

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  2. enlightened, peaceful explorers, wanting to learn from us.

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  3. opportunistic capitalists, trying to expand their markets.

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  4. fanatic, religious missionaries, out to convert the galaxy.

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  5. Other

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  1. DarkDaimon

    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    This is an old article. Turns out that the photons really weren't travelling faster than the speed of light, but rather their shape had changed that made it appear that they did. Here is an article: http://discovermagazine.com/2003/nov/score-another-win-for-einstein1106
     
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    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    Just to clarify, this is opinion, right?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Not entirely.
     
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    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    First hand experience?
     
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    Hard to imagine ET's have no interest other than playing asteroid billiards...
     
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    A relative I know to be highly honest and whom I trust, tells me they've had several visitations by ETs in their life, including one on a Mother Ship so big they couldn't see a hint of the end of it in the farthest distance. They insist they were always treated with the greatest respect, and on one occasion, a health issue was fixed by ETs. I have no personal memories of any such experiences myself, but I know this person to be as honest as any person I've ever met. While I've never seen an ET myself, I have seen UFOs--one that was totally convincing in the way it behaved--a way I know no human craft could have duplicated. I have no reason to doubt my relative. I would have been very skeptical myself of any such claims just a few years ago. Today, I'm no longer a doubter, but I understand those who are. :)
     
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    While they might divert an asteroid on a collision course with Earth, they would never cause one to hit us. They are peaceful beings, and are waiting for us to mature enough to join them & their interstellar community. I'd love that. Just imagine the ticket to travel to other planetary systems lies in simply adapting to living in peace with others around us, and rejecting war forever. I'd support that even if ET wasn't around.
     
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    yeah I've a friend I've known for 35 years to be honest as any person I've met and she says she's actually levitated off her bed! and her dead brother came back to see her in the form of a butterfly (no I'm not making it up)...should I believe her?????

    being nice and honest doesn't make people sane, rational or intelligent...some people make up crap to explain what they don't understand and actually believe it themselves...and some are just nutso...
     
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    Well, that has been the talk for years within the UFO community, from what I can tell.

    I don't think any gov't knows what these things are, which is why they have not admitted to their existence. That would be employing Occam's Razor, I think.

    But something does exist at times in our airspace, and have been picked up by pilots and high tech instruments, far too many times for there not to be some fire creating the smoke. And I don't think our gov't has a clue as to what they are or where they come from.
     
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    imo, it's more likely time travel rather than et's from other worlds... it'd be more believable that someone in the future figured out time travel and has been 'coming back' for visits throughout history, even changing events which could explain some 'leaps & bounds' in technology in our current timeline...
     
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    Unfortunately people fear stuff they don't understand...a portion of Americans will want to shoot first and ask questions later. We can't even find peace in our own societies so good luck welcoming ET's. If intelligent beings, or even robotic spacecraft, ever have the ability to travel interstellar distances and come across Earth, that will be a great day!
     
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    If their intent is simple extermination of any race that isn't themselves, it's a rational strategy for them.

    On the matter of earth's radio noise, it's not just a matter of distance traveled. It's a matter of how far below the galactic background radio noise it gets. Think of an AM radio station gradually getting lost under the static as you drive away from the source. If you know the structure of the signal you're looking for, it's possible to pull it out from well below the background noise level, but aliens wouldn't know the structure of our signals. Hence, our EM wave emissions are only detectable out to about 10 light years, which is a pretty small bubble on the galactic scale.
     
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    https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/emspectrum1.html

    Is it the background noise or the low power of our transmissions that don't allow our EM spectrum to be seen beyond 10 light years?
     
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    The combination of both. I was going by my memories of this 1978 paper, which put the detection range at 1.8 light years, and then I padded it outwards.

    http://internal.physics.uwa.edu.au/~agm/eme-pdf/1979.pdf

    However, upon investigating more, it looks like I'm underestimating the distances.

    That paper talks about TV and radio signals, but the most powerful signals come from ballistic missile detection radars, which could reach out ten times as far.

    Plus, our technology advances. Like this being planned, the square kilometer array.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Kilometre_Array

    Let's see, 50 times more sensitive ... but if it collects more signal, it also collects more noise, and there's the inverse square law thing too, so you can't just multiply by 50.

    So, I'm not entirely sure how far out we're detectable. At least 20 light years, probably more.
     
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    http://internal.physics.uwa.edu.au/~agm/eme-pdf/1979.pdf

    Conclusions are on pay 387...
     
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    if there are any et's, lets hope they have a good sense of humor when they listen to 'the golden record'...
     
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    Right now bad because they have the technology advantage, in the future good because they will be a delicious source of food and slave labor.
     
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    Why should I care?

    Are we actively trying to detect consciousness greater than our own?

    Doesn't sound like an Agenda of Donald

     
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    Just because some people fit into your description, doesn't mean EVERYONE who describes such experiences is a lunatic. The first people to experience or explore any new field of study are often regarded as mentally deficient or defective. The first to experience & report on Near Death Experiences were treated like that. Multiple scientific studies carried out by both supporters & skeptics, have proven NDEs reveal a non-physical reality beyond the physical one we're all aware of on a daily basis. They also prove there's a continual working relationship between that non-physical reality and the physical one we all currently inhabit. Our physical reality couldn't exist without the non-physical ones being there. There are aspects of our reality we're just beginning to become aware of that have been there, functioning effectively for as long as Earth, or our known Universe have existed. We must remain open to an ever expanding view of our own reality, for in truth, we are more than most of us think we are.
     
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    Extra Terrestrials... Good or Bad

    Non-existent.
     
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    It's a big universe out there. To believe we are the only planet with life is untenable. Before the 1980s, we had no proof there were other solar systems out there. Today we know of over 3,000, and expect to double that within the next 2 years. Nature didn't make so many planets & decide to prevent life developing on any except Earth. It's mathematically impossible that we're alone in the universe, and equally unbelievable we're alone in our galaxy, the Milky Way--which has trillions of stars in itself alone. Astronomers now believe the vast majority of stars--perhaps all--have planetary systems, as a result of natural processes of stellar formation. Many--perhaps most--of those have planets with living organisms. My wife is fond of saying, "Life is what the Universe is for." I agree. And, since our entire Solar System is less than half the age of the universe, that means many stars are older, with planets that are older, and some with life that's been around a lot longer. Considering we humans went from horse-drawn carriages to cars, to landings on the moon in one single lifespan, what's possible for an older life form who passed where we are technologically thousands or millions of years ago? Where would they be now? Perhaps here, watching us & waiting for us to mature enough to stop all warfare, and become an attractive new friend & fellow interstellar species.
     
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    The universe is so big that the distances are too great for one intelligent life form to visit another. We have no idea if intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe. We do know that they haven't visited us if they exist.
     
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    They would mot likely have different psychology from ours. They would be unpredictable. Maybe humans would be violent, or kind, but we have no idea what aliens would be like
     
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    1. Using currently existing technology, I agree. But interstellar or inter-galactic travel would require technology we don't currently have, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. It's just impossible for us right now. Imagine how difficult it would be for anyone living on Earth before say 1850, to imagine the possibility of transporting several hundred people from New York City to San Francisco in about 6 hours. Limited to their technology in their time, such a feat would be beyond imagining. We're in that same time trap in our thinking about the possibilities of interstellar travel.
    2. We have no proof YET, but statistically, it's pretty certain that it does exist elsewhere. I believe it's common.
    3. What makes you think so? There's a large and ever growing collection of photographic & other evidence that we HAVE BEEN & continue being visited by ETs. They're very much present in our skies & nearby space. Astronauts have testified to this fact, and there's abundant evidence on websites such as YouTube/Secure Team 10, and others. There are thousands of individuals around the world who have publicly admitted they've been visited by ETs, including some who are highly credible. Crop circles in England and other countries around the world give us another powerful evidence that ETs are here now. If you look at the evidence with an open mind committed to finding the truth, that evidence can be quite convincing. But closed minds are also closed to evidence. You have to decide for yourself.
     
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    1. You mean it would require laws of physics we haven't discovered. Einstein says no. You say yes. I'll go with Einstein.
    2. I agree. We will never encounter them nor them us.
    3. The distances are too great.
     

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