Trump to address nation regarding the national security crisis on the border

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bwahahahaha! You really are stepping off the deep end.
     
  2. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    I would love for you to link me border patrol asking for a 30 foot steel wall to span the southern border.

    Should be easy for ya. I doubt you can though
     
  3. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Not at all!

    Pens won and the Knights are up 3-0. Great night!
     
  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They had a presser you missed but they did not address your fantasy directly. How could they? They aren’t stuck in your head.
     
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  5. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Link?
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try google or YouTube. I ain’t your nanny.
     
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  7. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    I googled border patrol asked trump for 30 foot steel wall at southern border. Funny thing though, no link to that.

    Was Trump lying then earlier tonight when he said they did ask for that?
     
  8. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you oppose every single thing that will not "stop violence"?

    Do you oppose everything that will only stop some violence?
     
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    FACT: you are full of ****. There is no possible way to prove your bull ****. Once the drugs are in the country there is absolutely no ****ing way to prove exactly how they got here.
    A wall works.
     
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    Please tell me that your opposition to securing the border, and all of the unnecessary deaths and suffering that results from our unsecured border, isn't because of your preception of Trump's level of intelligence.
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    I dont oppose securing our border. I oppose the belief that a wall is the only way to stop unnecessary deaths in our Country.
     
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    We have folks in caravans trying to crash into our country. This aggression cannot stand!
     
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    In one month the House should send virtually the exact bills it passed a few weeks ago and then do so again in another, and watch the cracks in the GOP grow larger with each vote.
     
  14. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Reduced to fabricating strawmen, eh?

    Maybe you should take that as a sign that your opposition is misguided.
     
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    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    you stamping your foot again, doombug? Its not doing any more good than it did against same sex marriage.
     
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    Let's look at Trumps speech full of deceptions:

    1) "Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs, including meth, heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. Every week 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone, 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border. More Americans will die from drugs this year than were killed in the entire Vietnam War. " Yup, and our border control and the DEA says that the vast majority of it comes through legal ports of entry, the second most used way is by sea. Only a tiny fraction of these drugs are smuggled between legal border access points on the Mexican border... So Trump was lying that a wall, even if it would work, would help this issue.

    2) "In the last two years, ICE officers made 266,000 arrests of aliens with criminal records including those charged or convicted of 100,000 assaults, 30,000 sex crimes, and 4,000 violent killings. Over the years thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country and thousands more lives will be lost if we don't act right now. This is a humanitarian crisis, a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul." Don't know where this comes from, but first, he doesn't say illegal aliens. Second, it has nothing to do with the southern border. Most illegal aliens don't cross the southern border. The crime rate for illegal aliens is actually lower than for Americans... so how this is a humanitarian crisis if the people he is accusing of being murderers and rapists have a lower crime rate than natural born Americans. Again, another lie that a border wall will make any impact on this whatsoever.

    3) "Last month, 20,000 migrant children were illegally brought into the united States, a dramatic increase. These children are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs. One in three women are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico. Women and children are the biggest victims by far of our broken system. This is the tragic reality of illegal immigration on our southern border. This is the cycle of human suffering that I am determined to end. " The border patrol says that almost all children brought across the border are members of a family unit. Finding a child with coyotes or ruthless gangs is almost unheard of. So again Trump is lying about the childrens plight. And how is a wall going to stop people headed to the united states from being assaulted? And again he is citing entry anywhere, not entry sneaking across the southern border... strange how nothing he says is actually relating to the southern border and the fake crisis he is trying to manufacture.

    4) "My administration has presented Congress with a detailed proposal to secure the border and stop the criminal gangs, drug smugglers and human traffickers. It's a tremendous problem....… Finally, as part of an overall approach to border security, law enforcement professionals have requested $5.7 billion for a physical barrier. At the request of Democrats, it will be a steel barrier rather than a concrete wall. " More lies... Trump hasn't presented a concreate proposal other than for a wall. Democrats never requested a steel barrier, they don't want to add any new barrier that hasn't already been approved. So it is just lies and more lies. The cost of the whole barrier would also be tens of billions of dollars, so this is only a down payment, which Trump also doesn't mention. And funny but the person that would really love a steel barrier is a Russian Oligarch Roman Abramovich, who is a close ally of Putin and a Trump family friend, and who owns several steel plants in North America.

    5) "The border wall would very quickly pay for itself. The cost of illegal drugs exceeds $500 billion a year. Vastly more than the $5.7 billion we have requested from Congress. The wall will always be paid for indirectly by the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico. ". And since these drugs don't come across the Mexican border between ports of entry, how is this going to pay for a wall that won't do anything about it? And the fake trade deal with Mexico, where Trump rebranded NAFTA, only has very very minor tweaks from what we had. Sure, there is a provision about hourly wages paid in Mexico, North American car content, including Mexican and Canadian parts, and some changes to dairy import and export limits with Canada... Nothing that will contribute a penny to the government. So Trump is again flat out lying that either the drug issue or the rebranded NAFTA will be paying for the wall.

    How can a Trump supporter not know they are being lied to? Mexico is not paying for the wall. Trump never had a healthcare plan that would cover everyone better and cheaper. Trump did know he was paying off porn stars. Trump did know his campaign was meeting with Russia. Tax cuts won't cut the fiscal deficit. Obama's birth certificate was never fake. Trump stole from charity. Trump committed fraud at Trump U. How can anyone see a long list of lies and more lies, and still support this pathological liar. And now his argument to waste tens of billions on a wall so that he can put his name on it and stroke his own ego is also just a string of lies and deceptions...
     
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    Hey, I am just playing along with Walter. You let folks cross the border illegally and the next thing you know you have a pee stained rug.
     
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    Ok, that last sentence was funny. LOL
     
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    You are wrong on all accounts.
     
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    There is no living person who believes that "a wall is the only way to stop unnecessary deaths in our Country". Never has been either.
     
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    No one is hysterical enough to even suggest such a thing. Where did you get that idea?
     
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    Your side said trump was going to start ww3 with North Korea...when?
     
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    I know. When you guys see brown people, you have incontinence issues. The wall is not the solution. Try Depends.
     
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    "You will, literally, try anything to justify this unneeded, colossal waste of money."

    Aside from the obvious...

    "Colossal"? Really? Congress wastes 100 times that much in their sleep.
     
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    Did you get that from the telly tubbies or did you actually come up with that one asl by yourself?
     

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