Trump’s Best Shutdown Move Is to Fold Now

So you are afraid to compare them. What a surprise. All talk.

 

An absurd claim about Democrats that doesn't apply to me because I'm not a Democrat.

If someone who supports a strong defense, school vouchers, medical vouchers, business tax cuts, etc. is a liberal/Democrat in your eyes, you must be a fascist/Nazi.

Sometimes. They aren't everywhere the best solution.

One asinine claim after another.

 

You really want to go there? No problem.

The next idiocy was his BS claim a wall would do zero to stop illegals from migrating. I can blow that away in 2 seconds with the wall at San Diego and more recently Israel. Only a fool would claim a wall that prevents people from crossing would be zero effective.

Then he rails about upkeep with no numbers to support anything he is claiming.

Seriously this is what you said was a good post?

I can keep going.

Then he changes the claim Trump made about Mexico paying for the wall and only wants to consider direct payment which Trump never said. So once again he's fabricating facts that don't exist.

And when he questions if Trump can get Canada and Mexico's support he ignores Trump already got them to sign a new NAFTA agreement blowing another fake theory completely out of the water.

And then he returns to the money. If we as I proved are shelling out 116 billion a year right now for illegals if the wall as it has done in San Diego alone stopped even 10 percent it would have already paid itself and the wall already there is already far beyond that number.



So now that you've been educated please explain how that was somehow a great post?

 

afraid to compare who? Trump's is the Alternative facts President - Sad!

 

Votes. They want the support of Latinos, many if whom have illegal relatives here, relatives they would like to bring here, and know people in those situations. Identity Politics 100.

I'm sympathetic to uniting nuclear families--spouses and minor children. Parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins don't get preference.

 

I have no doubt you could keep going lol. However, you've done a poor job of paraphrasing. The only thing you educated me on is that you don't seem to comprehend what you read. In any case, I don't think we need to continue our discussion.

 

The wall as THE SOLUTION is BS. What about the 10m illegals here now?

 

Democrat solution is to create sanctuary cities and States and allow them to come and go unchecked and unregulated and operate out of them. They even offer them goodies like welfare and health care. They cram their kids into our crowded schools and their patients into our crowded hospitals.

The wall at least addresses the coming and going unchecked and unregulated part. At least the people who overstay their visas are checked and regulated at some point. The most dangerous people come across the border.

 

The problem ... (1) our workers have to deal with millions of illegal workers competing with them for jobs and this is part of what keeps pay down, (2) we have a immigrant mix slanted toward one culture and that discourages assimilation, (3) we don't get to select who comes here and that means we can't, for example, give preference to people who speak English or have skills we need.

So, what about refugees escaping bad situations? We can help some of them, but there are hundreds of millions of people living in bad situations worldwide. Why shouldn't they have as much chance as people who can walk here through Mexico?

 

From 98 to 2017 there are approximately 1 death a day for immigrants trying to cross the border. You support that to continue?

 

Fact.

 

LOL! I'm sure it is (or could be) a fact.

 

Trump’s Best Shutdown Move Is to Fold Now.

I disagree. I think he should shut down more of it and double his demand for wall funding. That would be far more entertaining.

 

A physical barrier of some kind should be part of how we deal with our southern border. Different places require different kinds of barriers. Even our medieval ancestors knew a wall wan't enough even if places where a wall was a good idea.



(I think we can skip tossing boiling oil over the wall.)

If Trump is serious about his wall, why doesn't he presrnt a comprehensive barrier system tailored to the location and terrain? If Democrats are serious, why don't they demand Trump present one before they vote him a dime?

 

I am for the wall..... that money comes out of my tax dollars to make America safe and help enforce our laws. The money can and will be recouped (if Trump is in charge) from Mexico and other countries indirectly through trade deals and with held aid easily.

 

Well Trump actually does not make those decisions. The Congressperson and Senators would include that in the bill. Trump says he wants a wall, the Congress can say what they want the wall to be. Both sides also have said that security is more then just the wall. I dont know why people would think Trump wants to just build a wall and then do nothing else with it?

 

By gosh I think you have it! Votes it is! They want to change our culture by bringing in hordes of 3rd world cultures and get them on the "government plantation". It has worked in Kalifornia.....but we'll see about the Heartland. They also want to do away with the electoral college in their push to do away with the Republic and make us a "Social Democracy. They'll have to shred the Constitution to do that.

 

No illegals should have a chance. Becoming a citizen is a privilege, not a right. Do you realize immigrants were once turned away at Ellis Island for having the sniffles? That is when we looked after the U.S.'s interests before globalists came to power.

 

I asked YOU about the 10m illegals here now.

If Bloviator Lardbucket is serious about the f**king "wall," why doesn't he present a comprehensive physical barrier solution that includes a wall and more (even medieval types used moats, boiling oil, etc. to stop bad guys)?

 

No, they want votes now. They're not trying to change society. How many people in 1999 knew how society would function in 2019?

There was no Kalifornia strategy, so "it" didn't work there. Do you really think Gray Davis was part of a considered scheme.

 

BWAHAHAHAHA!
The "wall" making America safer is a dubious claim at best. If you really believed illegal aliens make you unsafe then you'd think you would focus your attention on the places that most of them gain entry. Hint: it isn't strolling across a gap in the current barriers at the southern border.
The money will never be recouped from mexico. At best there will be tariffs and then you can pay for the wall a second time by paying more for goods. lol

 

Oh, c'mon--Trump says he wants to go to Mars and leaves it to Pelosi and McConnell to work out a plan?

Maybe because Trump doesn't tell us what he'd do.

Hey, you give me $300,000 and a lot. I'll build you a big, beautiful house...

 

Actually, he has but the press is more focused on one issue so you never hear the rest.

 

What about refugees? It's not a violation to present yourself at the border and ask for help.

 

It is the difference in the Legislature and Executive branches. They make the plans he executes them. But he has to make recommendations based on his other job of securing the nation. As to the Mars thing, yes that is exactly what he should do. He says I think the nation should try and get to Mars. The Legislature decides how much money that would take and if to authorize the planning of such a mission.