The new lie, "I never said Mexico would write a check."

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  1. Turin

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    OR. Here is an idea.

    We hold businesses who HIRE illegals accountable, and punish them. We can skip spending the 5 initial billion ( most cost estimates run it up into the 40-70 billion dollar range over time )

    If we stop the reason they come here in he first place, they will stop coming.
     
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    If Mexico is paying for the wall either directly or indirectly why do we need 5,7 billion? If the answer is we need it to start now then what is the plan to reimburse the treasury when the Mexican money/savings comes in?
     
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    And how, exactly, does Mexico "indirectly" pay for a wall? LOL
     
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    Stop trying to be logical. Trumpists will have none of that!
     
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    I like it. We can also eliminate birthright citizenship where neither parent is a citizen, and deny public services to anyone here illegally. That should do it.
     
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    I like it too! These seem like obvious measures. Why isn't trump pounding the table over anything that will actually work?
     
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    Maybe to a point. For example, I wouldnt be okay if an illegal showed up at say, a hospital with a gunshoot wound, letting them die out on the sidewalk.

    Im not out to be cruel to anyone.
     
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    Because he has a vested interest in keeping his base afraid and angry.

    Its the only way he can win an election.
     
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    Liars do not recognize lies....it's such a deeply ingrained part of their lives...
     
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    Maybe require landlords to use e-verify to deny housing to illegals?

    The message should be: "if you come here illegally, you will find the US a wholly inhospitable place to be".

    No education, no healthcare, no government assistance, no housing, no jobs, no police or fire assistance. Nothing.

    The defacto message would then become: "do what it takes to legally immigrate, and the bounty the US has to offer is yours."

    Maybe then a physical barrier would become less important.
     
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    The physical barrier thing is completely stupid. They work in certain areas and are completely ineffective in others. We ALREADY have barriers in strategic areas. But yeah, remove the incentive to come here illegally and they won't come. I couldn't agree more.
    That said, I'm all for revamping our immigration policies so it's isn't such an onerous process. I'm even for things like temporary work permits or the like. But if your here you need to be here legally.
     
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    This should be an easy question to resolve

    Just post the video of trump saying that mexico will write a check
     
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    Trump has explained that but the TDS sufferers are more hung up on their own narrative than the facts.
     
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    Link please
     
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    How about your link to the video of trump saying that mexico will write a check?
     
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    They don't have to "write a check" to pay for the wall. Any kind of wire transfer would work. Hell, they could use bitcoin for all I care. My question was in direct response to claim that trump has already identified how mexico will pay "indirectly". I'm calling bullshit. Hand waving and saying they will "indirectly" pay via trade is not sufficient.
     
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    As a Trump supporter, I can say without the slightest bit of equivocation, that at no time did I believe that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Nor did I ever think that Hillary was going to spend one nano second in jail, or that I was going to get tired of winning. These things were clearly hyperbole from an entertainer ( fun chants at raucous rallies), and the hyperbolic claim that Mexico will pay had not one thing to do with my support for that issue. I support a wall because I think that our sovereignty is vitally important and that ultimately from an economic standpoint, continuing to allow massive numbers of unskilled labor into this country is enormously destructive, both to our lower income quintiles and to our tax resources in general.

    Whether we are talking about $5 billion or $30 billion is irrelevant in that calculation. The future savings in terms of less government resources will more than pay for this expenditure. We dole out billions without blinking an eye to other countries everytime there is a disaster somewhere else in the world, which helps to put into perspective how relatively insignificant that amount is to our overall budget.

    The only people that care about Mexico paying are the ones who never supported the wall to begin with. They dont truly care about the actual money, they only care about the talking point claming that he broke his promise. A broken promise is telling your supporters that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, because that aspect is truly relevant to whether or not someone supports your position. Claiming that Mexico will pay for a wall when the cost is not germaine to whether you support that position is not the same thing. It is hyperbole, much like saying that you are going to get tired of winning. You are off base if you truly think that his supporters see this as a broken promise, because it is not. The ONLY people that care are people that hate him regardless of what he does.
     
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    Trump was just pulling your string.. and it is still working! Did anyone really believe that Mexico was going to "write a check" , I certainly didn't see it for any more than sticking it in the Left's eye again (I love his tweeting! Makes the entirety of the Left apoplectic everytime! ) What I did realise that with border security, we would save enough money for building a wall " a big beautiful wall", by denying illegals social services which they should not be getting (and they do.. big time)
    So continue to march lockstep to your One World Government and their tune.. you'll enslave yourself (and, unfortunately us too) to faceless bureaucrats in the UN and the Hague. I'm done with this ridiculous thread.. Trump Lied! Seems that after 8 years of the Lying Obama Admin (were the deception did real damage) that you'd be inured to lying. And you can save theat "whatabouotism " crap, we are not taking the hypocrisy of the Left out of our debating tools.. because it is overwhelming the difference in how th eLeft treats Trump vs. Obama ( and his buddies on the Left, who covered for him doing many of the EXACT things Trump has had to do. Didja not see the collection of videos of the Demonrats supporting the wall? )
     
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    I understand and agree

    But the bottom line is that America needs the wall no matter who pays for it
     
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    Trump in 2016 explained how Mexico would pay for the wall but now the lefties think it is something new and he is backtracking.
     
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    Look out! He's under your bed!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    He never explained any such thing.
     
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