LIAR, LIAR.....

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  1. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Really???


    Paul Manafort reportedly offered to brief Russian billionaire on 2016 campaign
    • The Washington Post reports that Donald Trump's former campaign chairman offered to brief a Russian billionaire on the 2016 campaign.
    • The billionaire, Oleg Deripaska, has ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin.
    • The offer was made in an email that has been turned over to congressional and special counsel investigators looking into Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.
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    An FBI agent said in an affidavit attached to a 2017 search warrant unsealed earlier this year that he had reviewed tax returns for a company controlled by Manafort and his wife that showed a $10 million loan from a Russian lender identified as Deripaska.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer said on Saturday he will force a vote soon on a resolution to disapprove the Trump administration’s decision to relax sanctions on three Russian companies connected to oligarch Oleg Deripaska.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-lift-sanctions-on-russia-firms-idUSKCN1P702L
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish Obama's intelligence departments had shown us proof that the Russians tried to manage the election to elect Trump No wonder Trump challenged the report.

    Criminey, it was Obama himself that mocked Trump and ridiculed his story the election was tampered with. Obama mocked Trump by saying it was ridiculous that the election could be tampered with.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reportedly is shorthand for it is not proven. Naturally blow hard Schumer who hated Hillary being investigated so hates Trump he will fan the flame to blame Trump even over acts of Manafort. I guess Obama lied when he promised us Russia could not tamper with our elections.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with your post (sans the popular delusion - "Reagan put the Soviet Union out of business" - but this matters not to the overall point)

    The idea that Russia is significantly more or less of a military threat to the homeland than has been over at least the last 5 decades is absurd. This whole Russia nonsense has nothing to do with Russia being a military threat to the homeland and everything to do with Russia being an threat to our economic dominance.... basically - getting in our way.

    Since the end of WW2 - every time Russia has taken a step back (and there are many of them) - demilitarizing eastern Europe and so on. NATO has violated both the spirit and the letter of various agreements and taken a step forward. Russia put up with this - like the Bear was asleep.

    Ukraine was a step to far. There was no way Russia was going to allow NATO control over the port in Crimea - a port that has been under Russia control for over 400 years - a major strategic interest - and every NATO Leader knew it. YET - they poked the bear anyway - Poked the Bear despite the bear drawing a clear red line in the sand.

    And guess what ? The Bear reacted. Not only did we heavily meddle in the democratic process of Ukraine - once we managed to get a pro Western leader in there we moved toward NATO membership .. Right in Russia's backyard.

    The annexation of Crimea was done in a far more peaceful way than the annexation of Kosovo (nice precedent btw) - Crimea is mostly Russians just like Kosovo was mostly Muslims.

    This whole thing however, has little to do with Ukraine and everything to do with the desire to maintain economic hegemony for as long as possible.
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, sure.
    The wall is crumbling around Trump.

    Senate Advances Measure to Keep Sanctions on Deripaska Companies

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sure-to-keep-sanctions-on-deripaska-companies

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    The emails were provided to The Atlantic on condition of anonymity. They are part of a trove of documents turned over by lawyers for Trump’s presidential campaign to investigators looking into the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 election. A source close to Manafort confirmed their authenticity. Excerpts from these emails were first reported by The Washington Post, but the full text of these exchanges, provided to The Atlantic, shows that Manafort attempted to leverage his leadership role in the Trump campaign to curry favor with a Russian oligarch close to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. Manafort was deeply in debt, and did not earn a salary from the Trump campaign.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ht-approval-from-putin-ally-deripaska/541677/
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    I'm not a crook
    I did not have sexual relations with that woman
    I never worked for Russia
     
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    Do you notice how they talk about Putin like hes some kind of God? ;)
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump recovered and it proves he is remarkably intelligent.
    As others pointed out, the very expensive NJ casinos ran into problems. Not merely Trumps, but others as well.

    The only way the House breaks even if enough customers show up and gamble a lot of money dailly.

    Blaming Trump for slack attendance in my view is wrong.

    This hotel/casino is not making any money for Trump.

    The Trump Plaza is a closed hotel and casino on the Boardwalk in Atlantic City, New Jersey, owned by Trump Entertainment Resorts.

    More on this

    Trump Entertainment Resorts, Inc. is a gaming and hospitality company that owned and operated the now shuttered Trump Taj Mahal hotel and casino, as well as the now shuttered Trump Plaza, the demolished Trump World's Fair and the now-renamed Trump Marina located in Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States.

    His audacious personality and opulent properties brought attention — and countless players — to Atlantic City as it sought to overtake Las Vegas as the country’s gambling capital. But a close examination of regulatory reviews, court records and security filings by The New York Times leaves little doubt that Mr. Trump’s casino business was a protracted failure. Though he now says his casinos were overtaken by the same tidal wave that eventually slammed this seaside city’s gambling industry, in reality he was failing in Atlantic City long before Atlantic City itself was failing.

    As you can easily learn, even then the NY Times hated the man

    What we must do is examine the times to learn if it failed.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html

    When did Trump sell his casinos?
    Formerly known as Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, it was founded in 1995 by Donald Trump, now 45th President of the United States. The company filed for bankruptcy in 2004, 2009 and 2014. It has been a subsidiary of Icahn Enterprises since 2016. They still own the Trump Plaza as of November 2018.

    Since stock of the Times is going for ten cents per share, I say it is not doing very well.

    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/71691/000007169118000004/a201710-k_q4project.htm

    UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
    WASHINGTON, D.C. 20549
    FORM 10-K
    Annual Report pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
    For the fiscal year ended December 31, 2017
    Commission file number 1-5837
    THE NEW YORK TIMES COMPANY
    (Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)
    New York
    13-1102020
    (State or other jurisdiction of
    incorporation or organization)
    (I.R.S. Employer
    Identification No.)
    620 Eighth Avenue, New York, N.Y.
    10018
    (Address of principal executive offices)
    (Zip code)
    Registrant’s telephone number, including area code: (212) 556-1234
    Securities registered pursuant to Section 12(b) of the Act:
    Title of each class
    Name of each exchange on which registered
    Class A Common Stock of $.10 par value
    New York Stock Exchange
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We can call him a small time elected dictator were that really factual. When he reports to their congress (Duma) he acts not as a dictator, but like he accepts public control so he reports to the public.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh you forgot

    Russia can't tamper with our election Mr. Trump. So stop claiming the election can be rigged. .... signed Mr. Obama

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am rather not shocked when a democrat lies about Ronald Reagan since they never liked the man and do not mind lying.

    Any republican supporting poster that does not understand what Reagan did seems content to never open books or reports and learn how Reagan managed to cause the downfall of the Russia of Communism. However it is true that the Soviet Union ran into cash flow problems in large part that communism/socialism for a major Government has yet to work. Citing tiny areas such as Finland or Sweden does not prove socialism works. It shows in tiny areas, with very tiny populations, and sufficnet funds absent taxes still can make it. And when they tax their citizens plus sell their oil, they can keep socialism living for a period of time. For the Soviets, they kept it alive for much longer than has Finland, Sweden or Norway. Socialism does not die a super fast death, it lasts for a few generations. And the public must be high earners or it fails fast.

    So to say it in a brief report, what did Reagan do for the Soviets to become in ruins?

    Well since i happen to have read many books on this, and one of them I favor over all others, he had a long range plan.

    He found he sold them that his star wars would cost far too much for the Soviets to fund. Democrats hated this program and fought it like diseased dogs, still it scared the hell out of Gorbachev.

    Second, where the Soviets kept troops in other nations. Reagan dove in and went right after them. True Reagan did not wage a war against the Soviets using our military, he still hammered them hard and they knew it was him. To wit see what happened in Afghanistan and around central America and also in Africa.

    A brilliant move for Reagan was obtaining permission from Gorbachev to speak to Russian citizens. Reagan took the smart path by engaging Russian students and encouraging them to try to obtain freedom. And that was very smart. Who recalls the hell that man in charge of Russia called Boris Yeltsin and his citizens grabbing tanks to confront him? Stalin would have executed those against him in a super fast move.

    But enough of my rhetoric. to learn a lot about Reagan, own this book.

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    About their book. This may be the sole book where authors published a book that contained a lot less of the authors opinions as to gathering views by a huge number of experts that worked with Reagan but added in the words of his detractors.

    There is no better book. No other author allowing for a wide number of people who all knew a lot about Reagan. They included a lot of his detractors It is the blue book on Reagan. The ultimate complete story. And you will read direct statements on both sides.

    Heavily footnoted, heavily actual sourced and more. This book is the top book on Reagan.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One thing greatly distressing all Democrats is the NEW AG, Barr promised to fully investigate Hillary Clinton. I need to watch all of the hearing in case Barr also promised to investigate in full details on Lois Lerner and Holder too. I am almost positive congress plans to dive deep. I learned how Sessioans promised to, but then refused to.. That has to be why Trump fired Sessions. He broke a trust with Trump.

    Democrats only want republicans investigated yet howl like wolves and fight with Grizzly teeth to prevent any investigation of any and all Democrats. Barr may surprise them.
     
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    Well, that was a :
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    But I kind of like the guy. I'm not sure he will even try to cover for Trump.
    But he could just have me conned.
     
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    The statute of limitations has come and gone on Uranium One.
    But he can sleep with Hillary as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    Barr has already spent more time as AG than Hillary has as president. Glad you toss her under the bus.
     
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    ronv Well-Known Member

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    And she has spent more time as Secretary of State than he has as President. What's your point.
    Hillary lost. It's over for her, but for some reason the RW cling to her like their guns and bibles.
     
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    I lived through the age of Rotten Ronnie. The historical Revisionism around this dude is at epic proportions.
    To be honest I do not attribute all of what was done under his reign solely to him - but ignorance of your own foreign policy while President is not an excuse for much.

    Supporting Saddam while using Chemical Weapons - this is a nasty Story. Did your book tell this one ? Did it talk about how when Peter Galbraith rushed back from seeing the gassed out towns in Iraq and drafted the "Prevention of Genocide Act" ? - an act which would have punished Saddam with Sanctions ? Passed through the House on a bipartisan basis on the first reading.

    I will summarize a few others more briefly.

    Supporting Suharto's Genocide
    Arming and Supporting Death Squad dictators in El Salvador and Guatemala - training these death squads in terror tactics at the "School of the Americas"
    Then of course there was the Contra's in Nicaragua.

    But lets leave foreign policy aside and focus on domestic issues. Reagan spent money like a princess with a credit card .. by the time him and Daddy Bush were finished our interest payments - as a ratio of income - was over 25%. For those not economically minded - At 30% alarm bells go off at the IMF "Ding Ding Ding" - the water is coming into the ship faster that it can be bailed out.

    Did your book mention that ? That Reagan is majorly responsible for the debt mess we are in today ?

    Did it mention that Reagan was a "Social Darwinist" ?

    This stuff is just off the top of my head - I don't need a book to know about Reagan.

    One of the good things that Reagan did do was work with Gorbachev - The idea that Gorby had nothing to do with the change in Russian policy - way more than Reagan - is an exercise in ignorance. Another good thing Reagan did was adopt the "MAD" doctrine. Shortly after however he did a complete 180 and went down the "Star Wars" route. You see - peace is not real profitable. The Military Industrial Complex lobby and influence machine went into high gear and the tune changed real quick.
     
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    And what form do you believe that 'bidding' is taking?
     
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    I did. Makes one wonder about their true allegiances.....
     
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    Well, let me see here. We have pulled out of Syria and left all our long-time allies twisting in the wind. If you remember, this is exactly what we did in Afghanistan that created Al Quida, an organization that killed more Americans in peacetime than ever before. Kinda leaves the door open for Putin to do whatever he damn well chooses there as well, don't you think?
    Uh, then there's dropping the embargo against Russia (basically all of Putin's besties) that the rest of the world does not agree with. Of course, the rest of the world, including some Arab nations, is wrong and the good ol' Dotard in Chief is the only one who has it right, right?
    I could go on, but of course you were kidding, right?
     
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    Very interesting, but hardly proof of the Dotard's intelligence. I actually resided there as captain on a yacht in the marina, There was hardly a lack of customers.
    However, if you read a bit about how Trump furnished the place, at a cost far exceeding his potential income, you will see that the failure of his casino was predestined, not just a matter of falling clientele. Even with daddy's illegal monetary help, he did not have the business sense to succeed.
    Just like every other business he has attempted, this was indeed the result of poor management.
     
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    Actually, the casino I am referring to is the long-failing (almost since it opened) Trump Marina Hotel Casino which was sold at a major loss five years ago and is now known as the Golden Nugget.
     
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    It can certainly be held against him by the owners of stocks. But if the business had far more expensive furnishings than it should have, at least he wanted to offer top flight accommodations

    Around 1981, I entered a contract to purchase a 70 unit motel. I had ideas to make improvements to attract a higher paying customer. i realized they would not accept the motel's then furnishings. My project failed for a few reasons.
    1. I handed over to the Chinese owner $20,000 since I needed added time to collect the investors and he sent his wife to China on the money and I had no legal way to recover the money. Oh, with no notice to me, he sold it to one of his Chinese contacts and cancelled my deal with him.
    2. It was my sole motel project and as a beginner in the motel business, I rushed at furious pace to get a good education in that business. I joined the association to attend their courses.
    3. Frankly the motel was in a less desirable part of town. But it did have some advantages.
    4. My project was well grounded by written law advice to me and the investors and all investors had as much information as I had. My legal advisers also studied my offer and took care to assure me and investors everything was entirely legal.

    Trump had a lot more money than I had and engaged in much more expensive properties. This would mean he took advice from a legal team plus educated hotel managers who had degrees in hotel management.

    Trump was not sent to jail for the losses.

    It is like you probably know much more about Yachts than I know or most know. But for a person to revile you should the Yacht sink makes little sense if any to me. If as captain you steered it into a rocky area, of course that is on you. Still how would you take it if you were personally reviled over steering onto a sandbar or into rocks?
     
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    Hey, he kept his ironclad promise to release his tax returns, didn't he?

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    Wouldn't it have been great if he had had the cojones to testify before the Justice Department Special Counsel?

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    "You have only been sworn in and stated your name as 'John Barron.'
    When asked to repeat it, you tried 'John Miller,' glanced around furtively,
    and blurted 'David Dennison.'
    Would you like to take a break and confer with your attorney?"

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    "ENTRAPMENT!"
     
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