No deal: Pelosi rejects Trump’s offer to legalize 'Dreamers' for wall money

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  1. Pants

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    Sarcasm duly noted. As is your repetition of a previously stated argument in the face of a new one.
     
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    easy for the state dept, just issue passport id cards to citizens for free, i got them for my family, they were only $30 and 'look like' a drivers license... proving citizenship... make it law that it, & only it, as acceptable proof to vote... they can even make the voter machines swipeable because the id has a chip...
     
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    Of course But that's expected from the Republican government so no harm done....

    That the dreamers were betrayed and backstabbed by the dems who held their fates in their hands and CHOSE to throw them under the bus... that's a different matter entirely and will not be forgotten.
     
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    I don't buy that. And neither do the Dreamers. The problem has been that the left has been tying birthright citizenship, chain migration and the visa lottery to DACA. By itself, DACA is actually acceptable to many conservatives. That's why Trumps proposal included it.
     
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    Trump was screwed the day he lost his cool with Schumer. He is now on the losing side of every issue and he just added another loser to his collection. Dreamers. The country supports a path to citizenship for dreamers. It's batting .750.
    I'll make a prediction.
    Most likely - Mitch won't bring Trump's proposal to the floor like Trump said he would or
    Some combination of, Schumer will offer an amendment to add permanent protections or he will help it pass because the Republicans won't be able to get 50 votes to pass it. At which point Pelosi will amend it to make protections permanent and send it back for approval in the Senate where Mitch will be forced to not bring it forward. Another loss for Trump.
     
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    Speaking of language.
    Coequal....
     
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    I asking what the Democrats will settle for, will even offer. Trump just offered then a win-win and they turned it down before he even made it.
     
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    What does this even mean? Those other things are already legal, how could they tie them to DACA?
     
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    Can't you see the obvious?
    Trump can now say that he has tried everything, and every time he has tried to reach a compromise it's been rejected by the dems. Now he has a full justification and probably the support of the people to declare a national emergency to end the shutdown.
     
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    Just a little reminder for our rightie friends.

    American voters support 63 - 30 percent a Democratic proposal to reopen parts of the government that do not involve border security while negotiating funding for the Wall, according to a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today. Every party, gender, education, age and racial group supports this idea except Republicans, who are opposed 52 - 39 percent.

    Voters remain solidly opposed to a wall on the Mexican border, 55 - 43 percent, and reject every argument for the Wall. The 55 - 43 percent opposition compares to 54 - 43 percent opposition in a December 18 survey, just before the partial government shutdown.

    American voters are negative in every question about the wall, saying:
    • 59 - 40 percent that it is not a good use of taxpayer dollars;
    • 55 - 43 percent that the wall would not make the U.S. safer;
    • 59 - 40 percent that the wall is not necessary to protect the border;
    • 52 percent say the wall is against American values as 41 percent say the wall is consistent with American values.
    American voters support 61 - 32 percent a bill to fund new border security measures without funding the Wall. Republicans are the only listed group opposed to this idea, 57 - 36 percent.

    President Trump's TV address to the nation last week was "mostly misleading," 49 percent of American voters say, while 32 percent say it was "mostly accurate."

    Voters disapprove 65 - 32 percent of President Trump using emergency executive powers to fund the Wall.

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2592

    Almost forgot: :)

    Strong majorities of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents (75%) as well as Democrats and Democratic leaners (92%) favor allowing immigrants brought into the country illegally as children to have a chance to become U.S. citizens. This reflects the unusual political dynamic that has leaders of both parties saying they favor finding some type of solution to the DACA situation.
     
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    Washington Post urges the Democrats to make the deal.

    ".....Mr. Trump’s offer should be welcomed but not accepted as the final word. There should be room to talk about the amount of money; how border security will be defined and enhanced; which categories of dreamers and TPS beneficiaries are covered; what their legal status will be, and for how long. But to refuse even to talk until the government reopens does no favors to sidelined federal workers and contractors.

    Unquestionably a deal would contain galling elements for both sides; that’s the nature of compromise. But a measure of statesmanship for a member of Congress now is the ability to accept some disappointments, and shrug off the inevitable attacks from purists, if it means rescuing the lives of thousands of deserving people living among us."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...9f77a3bcb6c_story.html?utm_term=.a98f91f5d0be
     
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    No one owes Trump a "yes" on a set of vague promises that he obviously has every intention of going back on.

    Trump went back on his word to McConnell already. Which is why we're here now.

    Trump surrendered the political high ground when he did that. He also surrendered both the bully pulpit (which he surrendered a long time ago), and any claim that the President leads.

    Trump told McConnell to take the Democratic deal. McConnell voted it out. Trump betrayed McConnell, and the GOP Senate.

    They owe him nothing.

    McConnell, who has always seen himself as a Republican first, and an American second, will go through the ritual of scheduling a vote in the Senate on Trump's latest notion. It will pass with all GOP votes and a few scared Democrats in the Senate.

    The House will not take the measure up at all.
     
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    Hey lefties pay attention
    "There is a security crisis along the Mexican border, American voters say 54 - 43 percent, and voters say 68 - 26 percent there is a humanitarian crisis. "
    And its not "the wall" anymore it is using barriers at strategic locations. THAT is the question they should have asked.

    What percent actually listened as opposed to the Democrats telling them it wouldn't be so don't listen?

    And Trump just upped the offer on then how much have the Democrats upped their offer.
     
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    Its the Democrats keeping it shutdown.
     
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    no but egypt and brussels are
     
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    Indeed, if he was so very concerned about the 800,000 gov't workers, he'd have mentioned them in his publicity stunt yesterday. But he didn't. Those people are being USED by TRUMP as a bargaining chip. The Dems, on the other hand, have agreed to come to the table to negotiate, but that the gov't must be opened first. So Trump, SAYING that he wants negotiation, is SHOWING that he doesn't want negotiation. Interesting choice for the self proclaimed great negotiator.

    “That’s what I do, is deals,” he said last month. “I know deals, I think, better than anybody knows deals."
     
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    You didn't even listen to Trumps speech did you, just admit it. Border security is ALL OF THAT. And he is offering funding for ALL OF THAT.

    Ball is in the Democrats court.
     
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    It is much more than that.

    This is an opportunity for Trump to expose the true nature of the amount of control that the elites have over self-serving politicians.
     
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    Doesn't sound like Nancy wants to come out and play.. and she's clever to boot... sounds like something good will be coming out of the house next week......

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    I think Pelosi will take it up with one amendment.
    Make DACA permanent.
    She will then send it right back to Mitch.
    But, I'm not sure Mitch can come up with the Republican votes to pass it the first time. So Chuck may have to give him a half dozen.
     
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    OK, the time is right at this exact moment to ask the most vital question, because they reject everything Republicans suggest:

    WHAT IS THE DEMOCRAT PLAN TO STOP ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM ENTERING THE COUNTRY?!

    No vague generalities... no side-deflections about how inhumane, uncaring, unfeeling, etc., that Trump is... and no more unfocused, unrelated, irrelevant bullshit! Just that ONE simple question, please!

    WHAT IS THE DEMOCRAT PLAN TO STOP ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM ENTERING THE UNITED STATES?!
     
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    Who would those be??
     
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    Either way I believe that the wall will be built and many dems will be out of office when the next elections roll around.
     
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    If the Democrats don't negotiate on the border wall, Trump will easily win the 2020 election.

    Pelosi will win favor from the far Left but not much else.
     
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    And I believe that Margot Robbie will appear at my house tonight needing some lotion rubbed in....
     
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