How to end the shutdown.

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  1. Pollycy

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    I'll be the first to point out Trump's lamentable lack of tact and diplomacy. I'll be the first to observe that this man never went to "charm school". And, I'll be the first to point out that Republicans AND Democrats must sit down and hammer this damned thing out!

    We can go back and be pissed off at how the Democrats treated Ronald Reagan on immigration (I've done that), and you on the Left can be pissed off at how Republicans treated Barack Obama on immigration (the Left has done that). And, net result? Here we are... up to our armpits in millions of illegal aliens (with more on the way), broken down 'border barriers', and unworkable, 'half-assed' policies that were spring-loaded to fail because both Republicans AND Democrats, for different reasons, WANTED illegal aliens in here -- starting as far back as World War II....

    I think you and I are still committed to finding areas of compromise, Te. I hope that is true, even though you and I are only two people.

    We should put all the DACA kids on an immediate pathway to full citizenship, make their parents pay penalties for coming in here illegally in the first place (but not threaten any non-criminals with deportation), and put a decisive HALT to all further illegal aliens barging into the country. We should speed-up the processes for determining who and why someone is truly eligible for 'asylum' status, and we should also speed-up the processes for people to come in and work -- with 'green cards', visas, or whatever.

    In short, the current situation must END. This nonsense which has hovered over the United States since before even I was born must STOP!
     
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    You notice how the collective says walls are Worthless, But won't answer if we need to tear the ones we have down. If the walls don't work then tear them down and quit spending money fixing them.

    I guess they are afraid to admit that. I think the DNC is partly owned by the cartels.

    The DNC seem to do everything to help the cartels including give them weapons to use on our border patrol And tip off their gang members when ice is coming. If the Mexican president cost a 100 million dollars I wonder how much the DNC costs?
     
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    Border barriers near larger population centers, like San Diego, Nogales, El Paso, Presidio, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, and down in "the Valley" of South Texas. Total length of such a "wall" would not exceed 500 miles.

    Armed surveillance drones flown from military command centers coordinating with increased numbers of border patrol "boots-on-the-ground".

    Mobile (and movable) anti-personnel devices, lethal and non-lethal, at highly congested border areas where 'crowds' and 'caravans' converge to make concerted assaults on the U. S. border with Mexico.

    When you mash all the air-bubbles out of it, THIS is what we are going to need if we are going to gain any real control over the whole illegal alien problem. And even if we did, it would be difficult.

    Anybody got any BETTER ideas? I'd sure as hell like to hear them.... Don't rattle on about what won't work -- tell us what will work!
     
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    You right wingers seem to be intent on talking yourself into rhetorical corners.

    Close the TSA down because it's worthless?

    Here, let me help you think that one through.

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    If we didn't have an anti-American dingbat as House Speaker, a compromise could be reached.

    The Democrats supported a wall until Trump became president. It would cost 0.001% of the federal budget. But the Dems want to play politics and they're saying f-u to America.
     
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    Armed surveillance drones are you serious?

    You going to shoot their human Shields?

    A wall that is patrolled is much cheaper and easier and makes way more sense than anything else.

    Once an illegal immigrant steps foot in America a Democrat will find a reason that illegal immigrant gets to stay.

    That is why we need a physical barrier.

    DNC illegal immigration platform

    Sneak into America
    Take advantage of health care and welfare paid for by Americans
    Get exploited for slave wages by Americans
    Vote for anti American globalist Democrats
    Victimize Americans
    Get deported from America
    Repeat

    Obama was the deporter in chief because he kept deporting the same people over and over.
     
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    You think the military police can't provide "airport security"...? Strange... it seems to work very well in Germany! Got any nifty pics of planes crashing into buildings in any GERMAN cities...?!

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    I hear it was an inside job Bush used to get us into Iraq and take their oil.
     
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    They also won't tell you that many airports in America has private security. SF is one
     
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    TSA Didn't stop that.
    In fact the TSA Fails to detect contraband 80% of the time.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188

    They just exist to fondle old ladies and children.

    Such a rhetorical corner. Something that has an 80% failure rate is if no use to the United States.
     
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    We can patrol 'walled' areas effectively near the population centers I listed. I'm so glad that Trump changed the original "wall" he described in his Executive Order of January 2017 with his announcement yesterday. Near the population centers, we CAN have effective surveillance, recon, and, most important of all -- CONTROL!
     
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    Correct... and in countries where the military takes care of airport security there are zero real problems....
     
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    I don't get how that stops illegal immigrants from stepping foot in America, being processed, and sent on their way?

    What stops the cartels and Coyote is from just driving around the walls and driving into the country? I hear they are well funded and have super nice off road vehicles that can do the Baja 500.
     
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    Private security is superior in every way.
     
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    I doubt Nancy Pelosi would accept Trump doing that.

    The Democrats agenda is OBSTRUCTIONISM.

    Nancy and the Democrats are quit clear that illegal aliens are more important than federal workers or Americans on food stamps.

    FYI:
    Liberals have opposed border security since 1986 and only have one agenda, open borders and amnesty.

    Add allowing cop killers out of jail.
     
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    What do you expect from people who claim that blue lives matter is racist.

    Democrats care more about a foreign journalist killed in a foreign country by foreigners than they do an American cop killed in America by foreigners. They never held any special hearings for the cop. I don't even think they made any statements.
     
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    Change the Constitution to reflect that only those born of citizens are automatically a citizen. Create easy to get, use, and check, work visas and make them plentiful. Require a letter or some proof of a job, sent by employers to the fed gov't or USPS. Make these mailable to foreign workers. Stop sending workers back. Send them to prison instead. As a consequence of crossing illegally, do not ever allow them to vote. Send only mothers and their minor children away.

    Charge employers for not reporting these workers. Make them pay a fine high enough that it is a deterrent. Make it on a schedule based upon the salary paid and rising as salary rises. Send multiple offence employers to prison, so as to cripple their businesses.

    Do all of the things necessary to make it less attractive to come here illegally. Then, spend money on securing the border and ports with confiscated drug money.
     
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    We the people do not want Illegals, what is the progressive's solution to the problem of 12 mill illegals in the country, taking jobs away and needed social benefits away from natives and legal immigrants alike. We know what trump and his followers want, they want all illegals removed, What is the progressive side?
     
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    No, the constitution does not need to be changed. YOU ARE BORN HERE YOU ARE AN AMERICAN! This does not mean your parents can not be deported and you with them. They broke the law coming here and should be sent back. If they want to give the child up for adoption or give it to child services, we as a nation need to support that child. If the child returns to his parents homeland, the child may return at any time.

    I don't want to jail anybody that is willing to go back, The costs associated with this is just too great. If they refuse to say where they came from, then the father goes to jail, if no father then mother and the child gets taken into child services.

    As far as Visas go I am with you, and with H2A visas, I think workplace laws should be strengthened so that these migrant workers have decent living conditions, we can all pay a nickle more for our food. It is a disgrace how these hardworking people get abused by agri-business.

    A national smart ID card and jail employers, INCLUDING professional women who have illegals as nannies and maids. Federal block grants for education, police, health, etc based on Americans citizens served not "people". If the states choose to pony up for known illegals, I can see state rights, but let them answer for it locally.
     
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    In the United States, we do not use the military for law enforcement, except in instances where local leaders defy Federal law.

    I realize that all the armchair pseudo facists worshipping at the Trump cult of personality have trouble understanding that.

    Just as most of us know that had Obama made such a proposal, folks like you would be screaming about police states and "defending the Constitution".
     
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    There is no point in trying to negotiate with someone who consistantly bargains in bad faith, lies and betrays his partners.

    Donald Trump has steadily squandered both the credibility of his office and the bully pulpit.

    And, of course, you deliberately leave out the fact that the only time Democrats were willing to support any wall was if DACA was restored, something Trump has no intention of doing. Yes, he talked about a "three year extension". But that is both another band aid solution to a problem Trump created, and a promise Trump can't be trusted to honor.

    The key here is that Trump cannot be trusted.

    The only people willing to risk their political capital on a scumbag like Trump are folks who are afraid of his angry white base. Which, as the polls clearly indicate, are a dwindling minority.
     
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    Are you really so buried in the BS that you don't know the Dems have no intention of resolving anything?
    Not just about the wall- but about anything that Trump endorses?

    If Trump concedes on this current standoff without reasonable compromise, the Dems will know that they can run over everybody. God knows they are already trying their best, and a sizeable portion of our population is so immature they have no idea what the consequences of that are.
    You simply cannot allow the people without morals or honor to control the future- and everybody, republicans and democrats or anything else will all suffer alike if that happens. Everyone will suffer, even you- but of course you won't know it until they have you hog-tied.

    We're not to far from lock and load here.
     
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    The Constitution does need changed, since we cannot follow what they meant. We don't understand that what I posted, is what they meant. So, let's clarify for the sake of our nation. You, under today's mistaken understanding, are considered a citizen.

    No, they cannot give that child up for adoption. They take it with them on the way out of the country. The father stays and spends his time and hers in a prison cell.

    Of course, employers who have illegals as maids and nannies must be fined and placed in prison for their treasonous actions. Those criminals need to be stopped.

    No federal grants. States can supply their own residents.

    Since it is a national issue, the federal government will take care of prosecution and justice. It is not a state issue.
     
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    Bounties would work..
     

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