Democrats file HR 420 to legalize pot

Years? The bill has been introduced, so I would think the discussions will begin, unless it is killed by the opponents.

 

Interesting take on things. We start with a clean slate, now that there's a bill? Why should I pretend the science, data gathering and discussion hasn't been going on for decades, now? It goes way, way back, to when the government created a lie-filled propaganda movie called "REEFER MADNESS," to convince the proles that it was the Devil's Weed.

Pro tip - Reefer Madness wasn't a documentary, it was nothing but misleading propaganda.

It's clear you've made up your mind. Your pretending that you just want, "honest discussion," is disingenuous, at best. There are hundreds of threads on this forum, as well as hundreds of other forums. There are scientifically researched papers on it and we have endless amounts of data, showing it's safer than other legal drugs on the market. A whole bunch of scientific knowledge, with links, is in this very thread.

But, yeah, now that there's a bill, let's start the decades long discussion all over, from the beginning. Lol.

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I think you're not understanding that smoking a bowl with a meal has less than the intoxicating effect of a beer on your motor functions and isn't technically a poison like alcohol.

 

We've done that already. I even responded to your post.

 

I don't understand it, I don't smoke weed but know a lot of people who will get off work and light one up, but that's illegal, conversely I also know people who chain smoke cigs all day long, which I also never tried and some of them seem to have all kinds of breathing problems.

As such leaving pot illegal just seems to be a waste of law enforcements time, which if one asks any county or city manager is expensive.

Why not just legalize it, if they want to put a tax on it per pack, go for it, I'm sure no one who smokes it would give a darn.

And the same regulations that ban smoking in public places would still apply, but Joe Sixpack wouldn't have to risk getting robbed while buying a pack or getting time in the pokey for having a few in his car.

As for it messing folks heads up, um, it seems to be no where near as powerful a booze, the folks I know who do use it just seem to relax and wind down, so what's the problem?

 

No increase in auto accidents has been reported. An increase in accidents reporting the cause as intoxication by marijuana has occurred. Except the way they determine that is any amount in your system, and pot stays in your system for 30 days or so. Not active, not intoxicating you, but still detectable because of the way it interacts with your body as opposed to say alcohol which is pushed out fast because its literally a poison.

Increase in mental illness? No, that's not what the data shows. What the data shows is that in those already predilected to have a mental illness that simply hasn't expressed itself YET, that ANY psychoactive can accelerate the process. The process that would've occurred anyway.
In some cases such as with dementia it has been demonstrated to produce a neuroprotective effect which can halt the degenerative process (not reverse, halt). So you might actually end up with a net gain. Looks like you need a neutrals column.

No study has supported the lung disease or cancer point and in fact they correlate the opposite way for cancer and no long term damage has been demonstrated for things like COPD.

Heart disease: No study supports this contention.

Positives: Does help with intractable epilepsy. Scientifically proven. You're not one of them anti-vax anti science types are ya?
Does help with numerous disorders and diseases.
Also useful as an opioid replacement and xanax replacement for long term use as it is far and away safer than either of those substances.

 

I have bipolar. Since I've gotten my card and can get reliable Hybrid & Indica, I haven't needed either Xanax nor Ambien. Net positive for the water supply, plus I don't have to plan a nap if I get anxious, as the hybrid doesn't make me sleepy or unfocused, it just simply removes the anxiety. Effect is nearly immediate, whereas the Xanax makes me drowsy before I feel the calm.

The new way of not needing a nap to wrangle the anxiety is working for me quite well.

The not needing Ambien to sleep is also a huge plus. Ambien is nasty stuff, especially for women - we have serious side effects from Ambien. It's so bad, that legally, women can only get 1/2 dose of Ambien, compared to what men can get. It stays in our system longer, and accidents on the road caused by women who had taken Ambien the night before were demonstrably on the rise.

I wonder why we didn't have a decades long discussion about Ambien, first. Oh, wait, Big Pharm owns Congress. Never mind. Big MJ just needs to purchase a few Congress Critters. That's all that's needed.

 

No, the overall number of accidents in States which legalized pot has increased. We already covered this. We also covered the mental illness, and other issues I mentioned, so I won't repeat is again.

 

Sure bud. Keep telling yourself that

 

He keeps saying the same thing, over and over and over again, as if this time, it'll make it true. Lol...

Nanny staters make me ill. It was bad enough to get it from the left, but now the right has gone full nanny-state on us, too. They used to limit themselves, but it's all-in, now. The government's primary goal is to grab more and more power over us. The right used to understand this.

 

I provided links, and you could google it yourself if you wanted. Feel free to believe or deny anything you want. There is something about the pro-drug crowd, that makes them deny facts even when they are in front of their faces.

 

Wow, it seems the legalization in only some States have caused a massive increase in consumption.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/study-more-employees-than-ever-test-positive-for-marijuana

(WXYZ) — Research shows there has been a 33 percent increase in positive drug tests on employees, according to a study by EHS Daily Advisor.

Rob Wilson, president of Employco USA and a human resources expert, says there is an increase in employee usage of marijuana in industries across the board.

 

Reading some articles and learning that many expect pot to be legal by the end of the year. The only obstacle is the GOP controlled Senate. Of course it will be up to the States to allow, or disallow it.

 

Yup - the big government loving GOP will go full nanny state on us.

The only difference between team red and blue, is which freedoms they seek to deny me. They all hate freedom. This includes you. I hope I never see you complain about some nanny state policy team blue wants to impose on you. Like straws? Too bad, bitches, team blue nannies won't allow it. Daddy G knows what's best for you, amiright?

 

ORRRRR people are now reporting the use they had the entire time because they're not afraid of jail or other consequences.

You do understand that a piss test is rather easy to fox right?

 

You think they are walking up to their employers to report their drug use?

Read again! 33% increase in people testing positive for pot in drug tests on employees.

 

You don't read so well huh? Its showing up in "random" drug screens. I think they're not bothering to fox the tests anymore because weed is legal in their state and a positive piss test doesn't prove intoxication because of the unique way cannabis processes through the system.

 

There are employers like AB-InBev who used to let workers drink beer on the job. I think they still get 2 free cases each month. The company even when it was just AB had random drug tests once a year. It included all union and non union employees including but not limited to: brewers, engineers, IT, even contract workers. If you had any drugs in your system or a blood/alcohol level above their limit, it was instant job termination. I was told by a guy who worked there that their annual purge usually amounted to about 5% of employees being fired.

 

Anything that intoxicates you is a poison. That's what the "toxic" in "intoxicate" comes from. That said, pot should be made legal for medical purposes nationwide (rescheduled to III or IV), and for recreation purposes should be up to the state. The only real hangup is international treaties.

 

It is legal here in CA. My neighbor has a lot of pain from a kidney condition. For the first time in his life, he smoked some pot and it not only helps him manage the pain, he says it helps him sleep.

 

Also big pharm. I recently stopped taking Xanax and Ambien, due to my having available, reliable, legal, labeled product.

Xanax and Ambien are far nastier than pot.

 

Yes, they are always random. That has not changed. The only thing which has changed is the skyrocketing rate of positive results.

Pot may be legal, but employers still fire people who test positive, so the incentive to cheat has not changed one bit. Why would the employers test people, if there was no consequence for positive result?

 

True story. I am truly thankful I no longer need Ambien to help my chronic insomnia. Ambien is a terrible drug, especially for women.

 

Medical passed in my state. They may have dispensaries setup by the end of the year. I can apply for a card now I think but there aren't any doctors to recommend it yet. If I get a card, I'll also be able to grow 6-8 plants. I'm looking forward to that. I don't drink. I smoked some weed in college. Most was not very strong but it was fun.

I have been reading about Humboldt Co. CA, Murder Mountain and the emerald triangle. Interesting that since recreational legalization in CA, some living there paid the high fees and sq. ft. taxes, over 100K for a small grow operation to be legal. Now they aren't making any money. The cartels have setup shop right next to them now so the black market there is bigger than ever. It was not unexpected.

 

Why are people showing preference for black market goods? I'll never use black market again, even if it's cheaper. I know what I'm getting, now, so I know how to dose it properly. It used to be a total crap shoot. Was I getting Indica or Sativa? Maybe it's a hybrid? Nobody knew, really.

Knowledge is power. I can't imagine going back to being in the dark.