San Francisco Eatery Bans MAGA Hat-Wearing Customers

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    The owner of a San Francisco-area eatery announced Sunday that he would refuse service to any customers who walk into his restaurant wearing a “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) hat.

    J. Kenji Lopez-Alt, who is a chef-partner at Wursthall restaurant in San Mateo, said in a now-deleted tweet that he would not serve MAGA hat-wearing customers, comparing the red Trump campaign-issued caps to wearing swastikas and white hoods from the Ku Klux Klan.


    “It hasn’t happened yet, but if you come to my restaurant wearing a MAGA cap, you aren’t getting served, same as if you come in wearing a swastika, white hood, or any other symbol of intolerance and hate,” https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/31/san-francisco-eatery-bans-maga-hat-wearing-customers/ This is typical of the intolerance of the secular progressive left toward its opposition. To label us Americans with the Nazis and the KKK is simply weak minded and pathetic. It is intolerant to smear domestic mainstream political opponents with labels like that.
     
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    XXJefferson#51 Banned

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    The liberal attacks on Make America Great Again cap wearers only redoubles our intent to wear them anywhere.
     
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    Kneeling to support the end of racism is a bad thing. Wearing a hat in support of a reality tv star talking nationalistic bobbins is a good thing. Listen to the herd!
     
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    It just shows that liberals cannot stand the idea of America being great.

    The very mention of it sends them into fits of rage.

    How dare America be successful or strive to be the best!

    We need to bow, as Obama was very, very good at, and launch apology tour after apology tour to tell the world how sorry we are that we ever became great and powerful to begin with.
     
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    Crowing nationalism is just crass. Its also of course meaningless and merely constructed around manipulating the easily manipulated.
     
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    There is absolutely nothing wrong with practicing nationalism.

    It's how you practice it that can lead to problems.

    There are many very nationalistic nations in the world that don't have major issues stemming from it.

    Both Ireland and Scotland are extremely nationalistic as well as Japan.

    Do you consider them crass?
     
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    And the OP actually lives in California where people wearing MAGA caps are chased down the street; their little red caps are then put on fire!

     
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    Anti-authoritarians like George Orwell disagreed (and demonstrated why). Sounds like you need to do some reading.

    Yes. All forms of nationalism are crass. Voting SNP is, by definition, cretinous and counter-productive.
     
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    You don't need to vote for independence to practice nationalism.

    Every watch a world cup soccer match?

    People practice it all the time and it's usually harmless.
     
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    Even football isn't harmless. From hooliganism to the spike in wife battering during the World Cup, it demonstrates our worst traits. Its interesting, mind you, how right wingers pretending to support individualism are also often nationalists demanding homogeneity.
     
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    i'm glad.
     
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    Any type of ideology that is in practice has negative impacts to some degree.

    Conservatism, liberalism, absolutism, communism, environmentalism......they all have groups of people that do not bode well under those systems.

    What we are discussing is a negative impact on a societal basis simply due to an ideology.

    It's like blaming gun violence simply on the guns.

    That is not an accurate portrayal.
     
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    the maga hat is a symbolic copy of a nazi swastika
     
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    Completely wrong. You're referring to how there isn't a truth and how therefore any ideology can be supported or attacked. Nationalism is just bad. Would you think those women being battered because of football scores deserve it? Of course not. That's the outcome.

    More guns=more crime. That is a mere empirical reality.
     
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    I am invoking Godwin’s law here. To relate anything in America’s politics to anything nazi or Hitler is to lose the argument.
     
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    That would be nonsensical! By definition we are referring to nationalism. By definition it is fascism that is reliant on a nationalist ideology.
     
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    Whoa. Yes nationalism is an important ingredient of fascism, just as eggs is an important ingredient in an quiche. But eggs can be fried, boiled, and scrambled without any pie crust, cheese, or ham nearby. Eggs can be added to a pound cake, or a sugar cookie, or an egg noodle as well.

    Guys, many bigots and white nationalists wear a MAGA hat, but that does not mean that MAGA hat people are making a statement in favor of racism or white nationalism simply because they wear one. Regardless, I don't want to worry about being refused service in a restaurant or a dentist office because I wear a Hillary for President button or GAY PRIDE on my label. People with MAGA hats, or Trump for President buttons will always be welcome in my establishment. Patrons who are offended, can sneer, look away and move their seating out of sight of this hat or grow a tougher skin. Its America and we adults all should be well used to the trappings of political campaigns in a country with constant elections.
    This is not a white robe and mask we are talking about. It means someone either asked for, or was given or purchased a MAGA hat in the last 3 years.
     
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    Its also intolerant to refuse to serve gay people. You guys fought for that right, we get to kick out Trump supporters. Fair is fair.
     
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    That you compare politics to eggs has already disinterested me. It doesn't even achieve cliche. Up your game. Here's a simple task: give a critique of George Orwell (or, alternatively, offer your best non-egg political economic publication that defends nationalism). Good luck!
     
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    So the idea of living in a great country scares hell out of you??

    How about you make up hats saying "Make America a shithole".
    That would surely be as big hit with the left, they are already doing everything they can to make that happen and would love the recognition.
     
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    When was the last time you wore your cute MAGA cap while trying to walk into a California restaurant? Or did you travel to Texas before donning your Trump 'brown shirt' uniform?
     
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    Works for the ironic poor! You do have a lot of them, so should sell well
     
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    I am sorry you are disinterested in the analogy. I will be plainer. MAGA hats literally mean MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, not a lot different than 'God Bless America' on its face. The slogan became widely associated with Donald Trump's candidacy for the Republican party over two years ago. Its fair to associate it with nationalism which was a centerpiece of his campaign, but to make a giant leap to fascism is silly hyperbole that does no debate justice. So knock it off and grow up. You may want to live in a country with Democratic bars, dental offices, and grocery stores and republican ones, or you may want to live in a country where the wrong bumper sticker or label button or hat leads to refusal of service, but I sure as hell don't. I figured out that folks in this country there would have and express a variety of political views in this country before I left grade school.

    Nothing is less intrusive in my life or concerns than a button or a hat representing a politician I dislike. I have grown up.
     
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    It was boring. Wasn't it?

    Less boring? I cheer that!

    And you come out with this boring cobblers instead? Tut tut! I didn't refer to this nationalism as fascism. I did say that to deny the link was not credible (given fascism is also reliant on nationalistic manipulation of the herd). Why can't right wingers be more individualistic? Why are they sheep?
     
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    Sure. Fascism is also reliant on bureaucracy, propaganda, symbols, and a law and order platform. Those same links are equally credible with virtually every political movement aspiring gain mass acceptance and party unity. So what? A MAGA hat simply identifies its wearer with some vague indirect attachment to Trump and his simplistic notion of patriotism. I happen to prefer "Feel the Bern pin to identify my attachment to another candidate and my "A Political Revolution is Coming" bumper sticker. What does that say about me ? Maybe my wool is a just different color or maybe people are fools to make stereotypic statements about my critical thinking skills based on a bumper sticker sitting on my car from two years ago. .
     
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