The World to Come

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  1. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    I came across the below article on The Duran. What caught my eye were the comments about the old, sly (now sadly deceased) very insightful Gore Vidal and a book of his that was disappeared Orwellian style:

    "Worth mentioning is another of Vidal’s books ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace’, which was published in the USA, but then, as he remarked wryly, it ‘vanished’ to all intent and purposes. Not a single American newspaper was prepared to review the book. There was no publicity and no advertisements were accepted. As a well-known public figure and broadcaster, he received seven invitations to appear on different television programmes. Five of these were soon cancelled. CNN had invited him to debate his views, but the programme was cancelled half an hour before it was due to commence. The instructions evidently came from the top level in Washington. Do the words Orwellian or totalitarianism spring to mind and of course covert censorship seems far more prevalent today than it was then."

    I had forgotten how far back this sort of media strangulation extended; anything tellingly revealing about the god awful greedy rip-off machine-men that rule us must be made invisible. People must not think for themselves; they must be though controlled by the thought police or suffer the consequences of being an un-person.

    In our propaganda age it is not only a case of the state, corporate and corporate media lying outrageously to us, in order to shape and guide our focus; it is also just as much about concealing from us the actual reality in order to keep us un-focused and fuzzy.

    Meanwhile, there is much in the article - and the one below that by Vidal himself that caused such concern to the elite - that should occupy many of us.

    http://theduran.com/the-end-of-the-u-s-imperial-system/

    Below is Vidal's article that formed part of his un-book Perpetual War For Perpetual Peace that reveals US plans for the post 9/11 world that was set in motion some years prior to 9/11. I was particularly taken with Gore's following para:

    "Ahmed sums up: `Brzezinski clearly envisaged that the establishment, consolidation and expansion of US military hegemony over Eurasia through Central Asia would require the unprecedented, open-ended militarisation of foreign policy, coupled with an unprecedented manufacture of domestic support and consensus on this militarisation campaign.'"

    Ah, The Grand Chessboard. All is explained below:

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/EnemyWithin.html#p1

    The world is a far sadder place without such clear thinkers articulating so skilfully.
     
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    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh brother...
    Ok you're out. I have no time to waste with silly conspirasionist nonsense. In the loonie bin you go.
    Beu bye!
     
  3. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    Game, set and match I think...
     
  4. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thank you for the honest statement, that you are ignorant of the US Constitution. You would fit in nicely in this country. Ignorance of and disrespect for the Constitution is very much in fashion.

    Why do you think that Maduro must be replaced by Guaido? Does his ascension to the throne comply with section 233 of the Venezuelan constitution? Does it even matter to you?
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    America? An Empire? and a dying one? Just for the record, where are here colonies?

    Do politicians use their political power and influence to engage in bribery and extortion to steal money, influence foreign governments, and enrich themselves? Agreed. So the solution is more democracy? Absolutely not. What is needed is less democracy, and more restrictions on government power. In other words, more liberty, not more democracy.
     
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    Yes it was an honest statement. Yours was not. I am not ignorant of the American Constitution. I am ignorant of many of the "how many angels can you get on a pinhead" controversies about the Constitution that fill up cyberspace. I am similarly fairly well informed about Christianity, but I don't follow every crackpot sect in America to understand their theories on the rapture or the end of times.

    I would fit in nicely in the USA. I am a big fan of the American Revolution. I choose not to live there, although I very briefly have (for a few months).


    I certainly do not see the Venezuelan constitution brought in by Chavez as something in the same league as the US constitution. In a political environment where there is government control of media, persecution of opposition politicians and rampant corruption amongst government officials, I do not accept that plebiscites or elections carry infallible weight.

    Maduro should be replaced because he has usurped the role of the legislature, which was elected in opposition to him by the people despite persecution by the government. He rigged elections and rigged the judiciary and abused human rights.

    The head of the legislature is a suitable person to take over whilst elections are organised. I believe this is in the Venezuelan Constitution.

    I also think that for the benefit of Venezuela, the USA and other powers should not in any way seek to influence those elections.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    OK, you are not ignorant of the Constitution, but you are unable to cite that part of the law that authorizes the federal government to overthrow legitimate governments around the globe absent a formal declaration of war as defined in the law you claim to 'not be ignorant' of.

    If you are not ignorant of the law, but you cannot cite that part of the law that sustains your view, why should I take you seriously on this matter?
     
  8. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “...for the general welfare”. If memory serves, it’s called the “enabling clause”. It basically gives the government the power to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants for any reason it deems necessary to promote “the general welfare”.

    But let’s go a step deeper: What gives any one the right to violate anyone eles’s right to liberty: The morality of reason.

    For example: I look out window and see my neighbor in his house strangling a women. It would be reasonable for me to violate his property rights and take any and all rational measures to end the attempted murder of the woman. It doesn’t change just because you’re a tyrant of a nation; a tyrant who uses political power and a gang of enforcers to do the slaughtering.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Goodness, you could work for the Ministry of Truth! Memory doesn't serve you well--the meaning is more mundane, and is found only in the Preamble.
     
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    By turning the economy entirely over to a central bank (the "Fed), we've painted ourselves into a corner. Now, we can proceed onward, with the Federal Reserve System controlling money supply, interest rates, "rescuing" who it wishes, and "picking winners and losers", or, our entire economy will collapse in an immense, almost incalculable vacuum of debt and worthless "money".

    As much as I detest ALL central banks (including the European Central Bank), we'd better just continue to "go-along-and-get-along", letting the Fed run and control everything. Yes, that is financially irresponsible, and fundamentally unconscionable -- but the alternative is uncontrolled chaos and a complete breakdown of American (and European) society.

    Only two major-league nations in the world aren't ruled over by central banks -- Russia and China. Unfortunately for us, neither of them has any motive to really help any nation in "the West" that foolishly allowed central bankers to take over everything in the first place.

    Hint: The Federal Reserve System was brought into existence in the United States in 1913 by Woodrow Wilson and other liberal, "progressive" Democrats. We'll NEVER get rid of the damned thing now....
     
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    The FED doesn't run the economy. It runs the money supply. The economy is much more than the money supply. If we can't get rid of the FED then we have to adapt. The government has infinite power and no competition. There is much choice but to fit into reality.
     
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    Yes, you are right. We are forced to accept the dominance of the Federal Reserve. It controls money supply, and it controls interest rates. It decides who to "rescue" and who it should let "fail". It controls whose worthless "toxic-asset" paper to buy hundreds of billions of dollars of, and which other companies will have to choke on the results of their own stupidity, fraud, and criminality.... Think: that monstrous FOUR-AND-A-HALF-TRILLION-DOLLAR-'balance-sheet' that the Fed has now didn't just appear out of nowhere.... 8)

    If you ever doubt the smothering, all-powerful influence of the the Fed, watch the reactions of the stock market(s) when anyone among
    Fed 'insiders' says ANYTHING about ANYTHING. Their merest 'god-like' utterances can cause the stock market to soar, or to go into a death-spiral.

    No, we're permanently infected with the Fed now. And I agree, with must live with it for as long as this country lasts -- like a man learning to live with incurable cancer... until it finally kills him....
     
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    Hmm. Well, actually, it’s also referred to in the tax and spending clause.

    Perhaps it was the establishment of the CIA, that gives America the right to interfere where she sees fit.

    Though, personally I think it was the first shot of the American Revolution—Liberty! First, last, and always.
     
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    Here’s the story. America is evil because her capitalistic society values the dollar over the will of the people. Furthermore, the reason Socialism, Social Democracy, Communism, or any other collectivist system fails is because greedy capitalist America robs the poor and starves them do death.

    That about right?
     
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    I am sure. Your claim that we have "stolen" Venezuela's democracy is BS and your belief that big bad Donald is going to steal their democracy in the future doesn't change that fact.
     
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    Did you think a state bank would do better? And the rescuing and picking of winners and losers is the US Congress and the Treasury.
     
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    I don't where you got all of those quotes but I very much doubt they all came from me unless you went back a couple of years and pasted them all together today.

    In any case, with the info on the table today you can only justify this incident if you are dishonest.

    What you should do is quote this one from me because it is the most applicable.
     
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    The solution is a seperation of state and the economy, in the same manner and for the same reason as the seperation of church and state.

    Want to stop businesses from buying politicians? Keep the politicians from extorting the most perscuted minority in the world, the American businessman--set the creative mind free from goverment control and you'll be suprised how much wealth can be created.
     
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    All of them are from this thread since three days ago, last Friday. Each of your quotes contained a link to the actual post. You are full of it.
     
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    That was the idea behind creating the FED instead of a National Bank.
     
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    Had you read my post before you crafted your reply to it, you would have seen that I did quote that post.
     
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    I'm not sure what we need a "central bank" for, honestly. We got along just fine without one, all-powerful, dictatorial central bank from the creation of this country until 1913, when liberal Democrats created the Federal Reserve. Oh, these Democrats did it, ostensibly, to provide 'stability' and 'safety' for the nation's economy... yet less than 20 years later, the country was thrust into a horrific 'Great Depression'. And, it's just been one big, unending 'boom-bust' series of cycles ever since... except that now we've got the Fed running everything.
     
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    You're right about GW, but it's tricky to argue that wars in foreign lands benefit the GW.

    I like the rhetoric, but we are not agents of Liberty, we are grateful recipients of her presence. We are not entitled to go out and kill innocent people in her name.

    The establishment of the CIA gave the government the power, not the right, to **** with the rest of the world in Dark Ops, and Harry Truman wrote about it a month after JFK was taken out.
     
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    Point?
     
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    Anyone who voted for Chavez and Maduro aren’t innocent of anything, and they certainly got what they wished for: the end of private wealth.
     
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